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Kennedy Lincoln
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-10-12 13:01:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Kennedy Lincoln
Why is it that when we scan, combat and relic sites can be seen by all but wormholes are not shared?

On another forum there was a discussion about selling wormhole locations. Are some wormholes permanent? Where? In nullsec only? I can't see the purpose of attempting to sell a wormhole location if most of them expire in less than 24 hours. Yes, yes, I know some last longer but I have visited around 50 wormholes already and I have not encountered one that will last more than 24 hours.

Thank you for responding civilly.
ArmyOfMe
Teddybears.
#2 - 2015-10-12 13:02:34 UTC
Kennedy Lincoln wrote:
Why is it that when we scan, combat and relic sites can be seen by all but wormholes are not shared?

On another forum there was a discussion about selling wormhole locations. Are some wormholes permanent? Where? In nullsec only? I can't see the purpose of attempting to sell a wormhole location if most of them expire in less than 24 hours. Yes, yes, I know some last longer but I have visited around 50 wormholes already and I have not encountered one that will last more than 24 hours.

Thank you for responding civilly.

The sellers place a probing char in the wh to find exits until they have a buyer, or until they give up selling it

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Nerapa
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-10-12 13:22:46 UTC
Kennedy Lincoln wrote:
Why is it that when we scan, combat and relic sites can be seen by all but wormholes are not shared?

On another forum there was a discussion about selling wormhole locations. Are some wormholes permanent? Where? In nullsec only? I can't see the purpose of attempting to sell a wormhole location if most of them expire in less than 24 hours. Yes, yes, I know some last longer but I have visited around 50 wormholes already and I have not encountered one that will last more than 24 hours.

Thank you for responding civilly.


The Wormhole entrance/exit despawns within 24hrs. The same WH will then reopen someone else in new eden.

If you for example scanned down a WH and left yourself logged off in that WH for a few days - You log in and scan down the next exit. Voila. Same WH different entrance/exit.

WH's have "statics" which means they will always connect to a certain area of space or certain type of WH.

for example a Class 1 WH might have a hisec static which means that WH will ALWAYS have at least 1 connection to hi security space.

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Kennedy Lincoln
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-10-12 13:34:05 UTC
Nerapa wrote:
Kennedy Lincoln wrote:
Why is it that when we scan, combat and relic sites can be seen by all but wormholes are not shared?

On another forum there was a discussion about selling wormhole locations. Are some wormholes permanent? Where? In nullsec only? I can't see the purpose of attempting to sell a wormhole location if most of them expire in less than 24 hours. Yes, yes, I know some last longer but I have visited around 50 wormholes already and I have not encountered one that will last more than 24 hours.

Thank you for responding civilly.


The Wormhole entrance/exit despawns within 24hrs. The same WH will then reopen someone else in new eden.

If you for example scanned down a WH and left yourself logged off in that WH for a few days - You log in and scan down the next exit. Voila. Same WH different entrance/exit.

WH's have "statics" which means they will always connect to a certain area of space or certain type of WH.

for example a Class 1 WH might have a hisec static which means that WH will ALWAYS have at least 1 connection to hi security space.


Hmm, but that same wormhole could re-spawn in ANY hi-sec system or does it remain in the same region?
Thanks for your replies!
ArmyOfMe
Teddybears.
#5 - 2015-10-12 13:38:20 UTC
Kennedy Lincoln wrote:
Nerapa wrote:
Kennedy Lincoln wrote:
Why is it that when we scan, combat and relic sites can be seen by all but wormholes are not shared?

On another forum there was a discussion about selling wormhole locations. Are some wormholes permanent? Where? In nullsec only? I can't see the purpose of attempting to sell a wormhole location if most of them expire in less than 24 hours. Yes, yes, I know some last longer but I have visited around 50 wormholes already and I have not encountered one that will last more than 24 hours.

Thank you for responding civilly.


The Wormhole entrance/exit despawns within 24hrs. The same WH will then reopen someone else in new eden.

If you for example scanned down a WH and left yourself logged off in that WH for a few days - You log in and scan down the next exit. Voila. Same WH different entrance/exit.

WH's have "statics" which means they will always connect to a certain area of space or certain type of WH.

for example a Class 1 WH might have a hisec static which means that WH will ALWAYS have at least 1 connection to hi security space.


Hmm, but that same wormhole could re-spawn in ANY hi-sec system or does it remain in the same region?
Thanks for your replies!

Any high sec.

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ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#6 - 2015-10-12 15:20:45 UTC
Moved to the Wormholes board.

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#7 - 2015-10-13 02:38:07 UTC
Thanks, ISD Decoy. Thanks.

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Liebe Pastry
Haunted House
#8 - 2015-10-13 23:32:10 UTC
Moved to the Wormhole boards, but only for 24 hours, then the thread closes and opens somewhere else.
Alundil
Rolled Out
#9 - 2015-10-14 01:58:17 UTC
Liebe Pastry wrote:
Moved to the Wormhole boards, but only for 24 hours, then the thread closes and opens somewhere else.

It's been well over 24hours. The life on this one is a little wonky.

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Verdis deMosays
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#10 - 2015-10-15 12:43:22 UTC
Hasn't reached critical mass, due to lack of posts.

Want to try and roll it?

Also, OP, some wormhole static combinations are very lucrative. A carebear corp would love a C2 with highsec statics. A pvp corp might prefer having low and/or null statics. So if you find the right one that's uninhabited, it can be worth selling.
Kennedy Lincoln
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-10-15 13:03:14 UTC
Verdis deMosays wrote:
Hasn't reached critical mass, due to lack of posts.

Want to try and roll it?

Also, OP, some wormhole static combinations are very lucrative. A carebear corp would love a C2 with highsec statics. A pvp corp might prefer having low and/or null statics. So if you find the right one that's uninhabited, it can be worth selling.


I automatically scan each time I enter a wormhole and none them have been uninhabited. I haven' counted but I've entered around 50.
Jezza McWaffle
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#12 - 2015-10-15 14:00:39 UTC
Im still struggling to understand at all what you mean by "Why is it that when we scan, combat and relic sites can be seen by all but wormholes are not shared?"

And 50 wormholes, awww so young.

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Kennedy Lincoln
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-10-15 21:25:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Kennedy Lincoln
Jezza McWaffle wrote:
Im still struggling to understand at all what you mean by "Why is it that when we scan, combat and relic sites can be seen by all but wormholes are not shared?"

And 50 wormholes, awww so young.


When I scan using probes, combat, relic and wormholes are located after I scan them down. On numerous occasions, other ships show up in these areas but not at the wormholes. Also often when I open up the scan screen, there are already locations listed in them that other people have obviously scanned down.

I never see previously scanned wormholes by other explorers. Also the first time I located a wormhole I announced it in local. They said no one else could see that wormhole unless I shared a bookmark.

So - other sites are shared in a system but wormholes are not. Why is this?

Was this clear? Thanks!
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-10-15 22:25:43 UTC
https://youtu.be/uJLQ5DHmw-U?t=1m8s

Site do not get shared automatically... I have no idea wtf you are on...

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Hippinse
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-10-16 11:27:29 UTC
Kennedy Lincoln wrote:
Jezza McWaffle wrote:
Im still struggling to understand at all what you mean by "Why is it that when we scan, combat and relic sites can be seen by all but wormholes are not shared?"

And 50 wormholes, awww so young.


When I scan using probes, combat, relic and wormholes are located after I scan them down. On numerous occasions, other ships show up in these areas but not at the wormholes. Also often when I open up the scan screen, there are already locations listed in them that other people have obviously scanned down.

I never see previously scanned wormholes by other explorers. Also the first time I located a wormhole I announced it in local. They said no one else could see that wormhole unless I shared a bookmark.

So - other sites are shared in a system but wormholes are not. Why is this?

Was this clear? Thanks!


The only time bookmarks are automatically "shared" (not counting random delays) is when all parties are part of the same corporation. When the other ships show up in those areas, they've scanned them down.

If you were exploded but didn't see probes, it's possible that someone had already scanned those sites before you came along. They used dscan to spot you and determine which site you were in, and then warped to the bookmark they'd already made. (Or they're really skilled at probing and you weren't dscanning in a paranoid enough fashion.)
Viggo Konstanin
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-10-16 12:04:28 UTC
Give it up, there is only so much Google Translate can do.
Kennedy Lincoln
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-10-16 12:34:57 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
https://youtu.be/uJLQ5DHmw-U?t=1m8s

Site do not get shared automatically... I have no idea wtf you are on...


What a dumb and horrible comment you have made.

Combat sites often show up on the scan grid and I didn't scan them. Just because you don't understand something does not mean you need to post insults.
Kennedy Lincoln
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-10-16 12:36:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Kennedy Lincoln
Viggo Konstanin wrote:
Give it up, there is only so much Google Translate can do.


Someday you will grow up and a kid will post a similar stupid comment to you.
Kennedy Lincoln
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-10-16 12:38:22 UTC
Hippinse wrote:
Kennedy Lincoln wrote:
Jezza McWaffle wrote:
Im still struggling to understand at all what you mean by "Why is it that when we scan, combat and relic sites can be seen by all but wormholes are not shared?"

And 50 wormholes, awww so young.


When I scan using probes, combat, relic and wormholes are located after I scan them down. On numerous occasions, other ships show up in these areas but not at the wormholes. Also often when I open up the scan screen, there are already locations listed in them that other people have obviously scanned down.

I never see previously scanned wormholes by other explorers. Also the first time I located a wormhole I announced it in local. They said no one else could see that wormhole unless I shared a bookmark.

So - other sites are shared in a system but wormholes are not. Why is this?

Was this clear? Thanks!


The only time bookmarks are automatically "shared" (not counting random delays) is when all parties are part of the same corporation. When the other ships show up in those areas, they've scanned them down.

If you were exploded but didn't see probes, it's possible that someone had already scanned those sites before you came along. They used dscan to spot you and determine which site you were in, and then warped to the bookmark they'd already made. (Or they're really skilled at probing and you weren't dscanning in a paranoid enough fashion.)


I guess when others in a same corporation scan down sites, they automatically appear. Thanks.
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#20 - 2015-10-16 14:00:28 UTC
another mess of a thread thanks ISD

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