EVE New Citizens Q&A

I think a lot of players coming to this game from other MMOs (which have more limited options) are looking for the Eve "Noob guide to isk making".

What I seem to have difficult conveying to newer pilots is that Eve does not work that way. Sure in a game like WoW you can have everyone run dailies or grind the same type of leather or same couple of mining nodes over and over and develop gameplay around that.

However in Eve every ship and module and unit of ammo needs to be produced by a player. If every player in Eve started ratting for isk and stopped all other sources of income then in a very short amount of time the price of ore would sky rocket followed quickly by a sharp increase in the cost of goods to the point where the ammo that you used to kill the rats would cost more than the bounty would yield and replacement ships would become affordable. Similar things would happen if everyone started running wormholes or mining or any other activity.

Another thing worth noting is that if you spend enough time doing something you can become better at it than anyone else in game. This game is full of stories of players finding a way to do things that made so much isk that it literally broke the game and had to be patched around.

So while you can ask others what they do for isk and use that info for consideration, you need to find your own way in this game.

I'll repeat again just because someone else can make 40 million isk per hour doing something doesn't mean that you will be able to even with identical skill points. Also just because the most that you have heard of someone making doing a specific activity is 40 million isk per hour does not mean that you can't find a way to make 60 doing the same thing.

I can't say this enough. Do what you enjoy and get good at doing it and the isk will be there.

Yep, here is an example:

Making Ventures at Clellinon School

(a) Typical Venture sell price to a sell order at Clellinon: 300K EVE Central Venture pricing

(b) Total cost to make a Venture buying the mats: 415K Manufacturing Cost Calculator

(c) If you just mined the mats and then sold the minerals instead of making a ship you get: 380K

(d) What you can typically buy a Venture for with longterm sell orders at Clellinon school: 215K

Profitable exercises:
1) buying Ventures with a buy order and reselling them (85K profit per ship)
2) Mining minerals and then just selling the minerals (380K profit per load)

Unprofitable exercises:
1) Mining materials and making ventures out of them (80K loss per ship made)
2) Buying materials and making ventures out of them (115K loss per ship made)

lol yeah

Another one that really messes up new industrialists is the way P4 generally sells at a hub for less than the cost of the P2 stuff to make the P4s. ( It occurs because people with losec PI are prepared to take a slight loss on P3 and P4 because its easier and safer to transport )

I wouldn't ship plex. First trading taxes and fees will eat a large chunk of profit. Also any negative price swings will probably result in a loss on trade, or a wait on prices to recover. not to mention risk of loss of a PLEX while transporting. That said plex are a pretty good bet to buy and sell later when prices do go up.

Only a few months in I started scouting/scanning down trade routes for nullsec corps. I almost did nothing but scan WH connections to HS and scout trade routes for people. I was given hundreds of million isk as 'thank you' donations for doing that. I've always enjoyed the exploration side of EVE (and by that I mean actually exploring the unknown, not hacking cans with a relic analyzer). It can be very profitable for a new player if you step outside the normal way of doing things.

I remember a day I did nothing but set up tactical BMs for the null alliance I joined (3-4m SP in) in a probe and got a few hundred mil in donations as a thank you. If you find the right corp/alliance and help out, they will take care of you more than ratting/mining/etc can.

Im really glad you were so lucky,i will see if my alliance has needs for WH routes

The sad thing is there are even websites out there that do the math for you. It's not as if you get "XP" for making stuff either - people still do it though.

i say train industry skills buy bpos research them then sell them or make bpcs sell them or make ships/modules really don't take up much time and helps towards making isk like a passive income . i did use 3 accounts subbed them for 6 months then merged them to 1 account so now i make all me own ships and modules up to cruiser all tier 1 of course .