EVE General Discussion

You will net 50 mil/hr in a month old character using a shitfit mach in level 3 missions. By month two you will be earning more than an afk isktar will running anoms.

Fair point insofar as "why" people are not aggressing reds in HS, despite opportunity to do so.
I dont have a certain explanation for that, except general HS population risk aversion, people being completely unfamiliar with engagement mechanics, and perhaps being worried about being baited into a fight they cant win (especially in their ubiquitous PvE fits they fly around HS in).

Theres also the phenomenon familiar from real life, where many/most people generally prefer to look away and continue on their daily errands, rather than involve themselves in crimes they are witness to, or in apprehending criminals.

Nonetheless, this is no argument against my suggestion.
If anything, your point suggests that my proposal is actually not severe enough, and that stronger more invasive measures are required inorder to achieve the same ends. (such as additionally dropping the sec standing/red flag marker throughout HS from -5.0, to -2.0 for example, which Im not suggesting nor advocating).

That it doesnt effect -10 characters, is already obvious and moot, since they cant drop in sec standing any further anyways.

That people do not already aggress -10 toons, again, is not relevant to my suggestion, and is a matter for persons themselves to decide in the sandbox, for whichever reasons or motives.

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My intent is to increase HS PvP, through criminal flags, back into player hands, rather than CONCORD (as PvE).

I get what you are saying. Do you get what Im saying and driving towards?

If you have better solutions, Im all ears!
Mine is just a proposal. Not set in concrete nor something Id stake my life on.

Entirely true.

Took a while to get it dealt with in the other game. Maybe time to leave there, anyway.

I like this.

Get rid of faction police and allow capsuleers to police each other for low sec status. Making outlaws engageable at -2.0 would be great, especially once the changes to FW plexes kick in where entering a FW plex will cause a short suspect timer.

That will mean people purely in lowsec for consensual pvp won't have to worry about anything, but those of us that shoot at everything will be open season for other players rather than NPCs.

Im glad we have found common ground towards a mutual goal, although our proposals are different in specifics.

Whats important, is returning HS aggression mechanics back into player hands as PvP, rather than NPC as PvE.

That sums up what i meant.
The fate of a little pathetic group of social slightly missaligned ppl and the fate of EvE have nothing in common. There are already other gankers, far less pathetic.
Code leaves? So what?
Would i cry over that? No!

What i got from the hints of CCP is, that hisec will be changed and as far as i see, i wan't be nerfed. In fact CCP did many smarter changes than those suggested in the forums.

yes the future of seal clubbing oh my how will you lot cope , and with the future of the game that's a no brainer .

the future of code reminds me of runescape when they stopped the gankers seal clubbing players , the player base did shrink a lot but game was is still going strong today moral there .

for the future of the game will of course will have to change , rather than give what I would like I give you this get quickbaby and jingles from world of tanks to play eve then you be talking if they was seal clubbing then code would be the biggest and baddest period what ever they charge it be worth it .

finally if the ganking/seal clubbing does go then go for lets call it bobs day 1 day a week/month everyone be allowed to kill anything no concord no kill rights now that be your reward .

I tried dealing with CODE and had a rather good team of Anti-Code pilots going against them in High Sec.

The thing with CODE is they follow the freighter traffic around so countering them by best done by altering the flight paths of freighters through bottleneck areas.

Another solution would be to use Jump Bridges where CODE normally operates at. Since a Jump Bridge allows a ship to jump 5ly it would therefore be possible to establish a Jump Bridge network through High Sector to points across New Eden that the freighters could use for a price of course to avoid CODE altogether.

One network could be four POS in a system each have a Jump Bridge that are connected to other POS in adjacent systems. This means a Jump Bridge network could be established out of Jita, Uedama, Aufay etc. with local POS. The freighters would receive clearance through the POS shielding only after they have been established to not be CODE...I can see CODE right now setting up covert freighters not assigned to CODE to gain access. This network will have to have the upmost security involved and should only be operated by Corporations who have long known each other and their freighter pilots. Once the network had been established the freighter would Bridge over local CODE bottleneck points to the end point Bridge System POS where Freighter pilot would then ferry their goods to the selling station in smaller Industrials and then return to the POS with goods to be loaded into the freighter for the return haul. This might seem to be a daunting task but it would ensure freighters at least would make it through with their haul.

Barges on the other hand would then come under attack for a while until CODE lost more than they were making thus ending the CODE problem in New Eden forever.

This network would be very profitable for the builders as an empire would spring up around them that would include many miners who would be employed to provide the Bridge Network with the necessary fuel it needed to stay online.

CODE would not be able to attack these POS either because they do not have the strengths or numbers to do so as they would lose more ships and ISK in trying to defeat a Large POS than it would be worth to attack it.

The playerbase back then shrank 40% in a matter of weeks. In fact, Runescape is so desperate that they are opening a full time PvP server. Too little too late, of course.

So be honest. It killed the game.

Just like it killed Ultima Online too. Apparently that's what you people want to have happen to EVE Online, too. But I already knew that, carebears are like locusts, they kill a game then they move on and try to kill more games.

Ah, but therein lies the problem. How many afk isktars can you run at the same time, while how many shitfit machs running lv3 and lv4 missions can you run at the same time? how much *effort* and *attention* is required for either? How much of the afk isktar's income is pure isk and how much of the missionrunner's is LP that he needs to convert and sell, requiring either a trade alt, time or selling it at a much reduced rate?

I've lived in null, I've plexed with multiple characters and I'm currently making isk in HS blitzing (3y old character is pretty much required tho) and I've run the numbers. Go sell your propaganda elsewhere.