EVE General Discussion

That doesn't mean the odds are against them. I am a minority, being only one person, yet if I had a button I could push to instantly destroy any ship or space object I wanted, it would still be unbalanced in my favour.

But that's not really what code do. That's an excuse they use for playing like a bunch of 8 year olds. The only thing they are interested in is trolling other players. They couldn't give a flying **** about game balance.

Don't be ridiculous. It may be more costly to dec individual corps, but the price no longer scales like it used to making it MUCH cheaper to dec lots of people. In addition, large groups are no longer basically immune to wardecs, and can't be used to shed wars. Deccers are in a far far FAR better position now that before all of these changes. And no, beyond tiny corps with no assets it's really not that easy to shed a war. Additionally, those tiny corps are now on the menu, because before wardeccers wouldn't waste wardecs on tiny groups as it would prevent them being able to wardec other groups since they couldn't wardec en masse. Now they can throw decs around frivolously. Basically the need to choose between targets was removed.

Good luck making your isk in the future with the playerbase tanking.

There will always be idiots suggesting self-beneficial changes with no regard for balance, it doesn't mean that everyone wit ha suggestion benefiting PvE is in the same boat, and they don't get what they want. The problem of most of the code lot is that they cry like mad whenever CCP changes anything because they are shockingly over-protective of their ridiculously easy gameplay. Ganking is so stupidly easy that you can roll a new character and within a week be solo ganking.

And yes, I speculate that a game with a reputation of catering to trolls that would generally be banned from most other online games has low player numbers because of their toxic community. It's not an inviting game for new players. Let's face it, the only people that really like EVE are existing EVE players, and they are losing interest as they realise there's **** all to do in the game.

As for content generators, everyone in the game generates content. So no, that wouldn't remove 90% of them. If you are talking about purely the big content generators, still that would not remove them as most of them aren't out specifically to wind people up. There's nothing wrong with opposing other characters in this game. The game is built around creation and destruction, collaboration and competition, and yes some people will react bad to losing either way. But there's a difference between aiming to compete with other characters in game and striving to upset the actual player behind the screen in an attempt to generate "tears".

If their opponents could actually do something as simple as organising themselves they might present a challenge to gankers, until that happens then it will appear to be unbalanced.

By all accounts you couldn't give a toss about game balance either, unless of course it's skewed in your favour; as for the rest of it, you're entitled to your opinion.

They're in a better position because they've all teamed up in order to be able to afford those wardecs, the scattergun approach is needed because at least 50% of the corps they wardec will just roll corp or their members drop to an NPC corp for the duration.

TBH I don't think Eve has much of a future to be making ISK in, I don't like the direction CCP appears to be taking it in and will not be giving them any more money. I'm going to sit back and watch it burn until my sub lapses sometime in 2016, and no you can't have my stuff.

Personally I have no problems with improved PvE, the problem is that most of the suggestions to improve it are pants on head crazy and poorly thought out, players aren't the only ones guilty of this either.

The reason that ganking is "so easy" is that most of the victims are either ignorant of the game mechanics that mitigate the risk or too damn lazy to use them, that's before we get into the foolishness that makes it hilariously profitable and the tears that spew forth from those who get ganked because of the aforementioned ignorance and laziness.

If you think that the Eve community is toxic I suggest that you log into an Xbox live lobby, in my experience Eve players have nothing on 12 year old little shites who claim to have banged your mum. God help you if you're a female, the abuse and vitriol I've seen aimed at female gamers in console game lobbies and chat beggars belief.

It's not that Eve caters to trolls it's that it allows people to indulge in shenanigans that few other games do.

The only content that some people generate is that of being targets.

From reading this thread, it would appear that the players who left were the casuals.

And goons who "won the game" (for want of better terms) made casualties of the casuals.

Sorry, couldn't help it.


I'm mostly casual in more than 9 years of playing but am now on a record long streak of not logging in and that's thanks to the long skill ques. So much going on in RL and getting things done, I know that playing Eve again will break that streak.

You see, back in the day, I would still play the game for roughly 30 minutes to an hour but since casual gaming seems to be gone from the game and even exploration is so expanded and more involved (good things actually) Eve has become even more of a game that cannot be played in short time spans.

The changes in highsec with decs and the proliferation of ganking has had an effect on casual play. But the game has improved so much it may well have defeated itself in playability. Because Eve has a lot of older players and a lack of new players, due mainly to the bad reputation it has. Older players have time and value investment in the game and don't want to leave, new players don't have that, see it's more of a lifestyle than a game, and say screw that. But the older players have families to support and mortgages/rent to pay (and lacking that, they may have other things to do as a life well lived is going to offer more than anything a video game could have).

They were the casuals. They left. They are not being replaced. And those who have their game on well enough are not in a position to care about SOV or getting ganked either.


I know that if I start playing again, I'm going to want to start messing with gankers or go to nullsec, but I don't have time for that. I won't want to spend less than an hour on that stuff. I want to spend hours on it, coming up with strategies, trying stuff, getting into a fight or caper. I want to roleplay my religious zealout character or watch CODE pretend they don't care when things don't go their way. Can't do that as a casual. And "popping in to run a mission" is boring now. Oh sure, some "emergence" might come from someone looking to "ruin my day" but I'm too experienced to make the mistakes they need me to make and I'll just want to mess with them back and that could take a while that I don't have. That's the worst grief of all.

That's like getting one potato chip. Just one. And not even one of those perfectly round ones.


The occasional shitpoast (like this) is all I get for now. I'll be at a computer all night tonight but there will be no gaming. That's life. I know what I'm missing though. I should be sad, but I'm not.

Been a few posts since your reply, over a page.

Semantics.

In a war, if the enemy surrenders, that means victory for the opposition. Last I checked, victory is a win. What are people still doing here? Living under occupation perhaps?

People run marathons knowing they cannot win. They do it because there is enjoyment in being part of it, but does not change the fact that a person is not a victor.

Myself, I remember the exact time I conceded full eve victory to the CFC. It is when TEST headshotted Cascade imminent. Our alliance put up everything we could in one hail mary and could not dent a single cap in the capship fleet. Yes, there are tactics, we could have prefit a whole mass of neut ships, but that still doesn't change the fact that we were logied off the field. Whelped a cap ship fleet, so everybody in the alliance said, what is the point. Overnight we moved out, closed doors. Most that I know from there just left.

So yeah, you won. Can attempt all the troll comments you want, but end of the day, the existing combat mechanics, and the blob warfare means numbers win. That was the CFC. They were not better players in fact, they were some of the worst players, both in skill and personality, in my experiences out in null. But numbers ruled the day.



The few was all the alliances that opposed to the end without joining the train.

it hasn't affected my ability to play, but it has affected my ability, back at that time, to a part of the large alliance warfare without being a part of their group. The pinnacle of Eve is large fleet capship supported alliance warfare. There is nothing bigger for the game. When that was controlled entirely by one force, that was eve won. We can continue to play, but at the time, you couldn't counter or oppose. So yeah, they didn't win your bit of eve, but if they wanted to, they could have is the point.

We can argue brave words, but after 2012, there was a group that essentially could control every aspect of eve. The only way they could have combat is they had to deliberately split up into faux combat. We can debate the whole my eve isn't won, but that is because the game, as we all know, is too complex and a person can fly under the radar. Doesn't change that CFC had a position that they had control if they so chose.

Just because an occupational army lets somebody run their small business or farm, doesn't change the fact that your country was occupied because it lost the war. Sure, people can organize and break things up, but that is a new fight, a new game. Just need to have a more open definition of what consitutes victory. For me, it was control, or the potential. My play didn't stop, but my alliance career did. If, for some reason, after I left null alliance, CFC decided they want to go after me specifically, I doubt I could have for long. Or I would have had to abandon my play. Possibly survive until all my jump clones are found stations camped and pipebombed, etc.



Simple, CODE does not have any power to effect control over eve at will. Only a small player base. That said, if they had resources to keep all miners permaganked, that would be a personal victory. If they had resources to apply their will to all players without ability to ever counter, that is a problem. Only reason it exists is because nobody really has gotten concerned enough to make a legitimate counter.

Just a quick comment I did on another thread about the new T2 Destroyer that will enable MJD.



In other words its a baby step...

I agree with what you said, however it might have continued on and sorted itself out if only Razor came in on HB, that was an impressive carrier fleet repping the station.

EDIT: Yes HB was in danger because no one was living in that area, remember the CSAA nearby that they reinforced without anyone knowing, that was because no one noted where they went, it was stupid place to have teh CSAA and the leader of IRC only had him in that corp. That event caused a lot of disquiet as they started sgetting uptight at people for not reacting and we knew there was hardly anyone around that area and no one watching for POS attack posts and it was silly to put the CSAA there, but it was the line members fault.

They never used those supers, that was annoying.

No we did not initially roll over and play dead, but after we lost the station in HB people realised that they could not win any final timers.

When IRC leadership decided to switch the strategy to resistence and let them grind they did not get more active which is what you need to do when you do that, instead they largely became in active.

Yes so the IRC issues was there, but I was there for that battle in HB and that fleet was impressive and would have beaten Razor on their own without any doubt in my mind at all.

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There are players in every FPS (think CoD) who find a spot, crouch down with a sniper rifle, and shoot everyone that spawns at a respawn point. And they consider themselves 'leet...

CODErs buy cheap ships, wait for a target, have a safe neutral (safe as in, no consequences of the initial aggressive act) "bump" the defenseless target to prevent warping, and jump in on top of target, shooting it until dead. They then fly off, reship, and wait for the next victim. They do this for "lulz" because a) they know there are no consequences, and b) they can't survive in null.

Don't worry about CODErs: they'll eventually move on to other games until their weight or eyesight fails them, or their spouse (if any) tells them to stop playing games and they resign themselves to become (further) miserable members of society. They will continue. Have no fear.

CCP? Meh, CCP is Dying (tm), isn't it?