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I'm worried for the future of CODE and EVE online.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#341 - 2015-10-16 06:24:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Dracvlad wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Markus Reese wrote:
Yes you can. The player base decided that goons won Eve.

How much of the playerbase and does that mean we all have to accept the view of a few?

On a daily basis, Goons affect my play about 0%. I occasionally run across them and fight and we occasionally take a fleet into Deklein to be hammered, but that's all fun.

Goons certainly didn't win the Eve I'm playing.


Your alliance, holds no outposts and holds no sov systems, there you go, what's your reason for not doing so? I guess you will reply that you prefer low sec, thats a cop out, its because you are not tied down to defend sov and have to defend it against someone who will squash you. You can run around and pretend otherwise, but sov is the end game.

Stop kidding youself, you don't do it because you know you will lose and forced to play against the Goons who know how to destroy your alliance if you try to take sov by crushing your will, why try it when you alliance will die.

Until you take and hold sov your words are empty on this subject and you should realise that.

No it has nothing to do with that at all.

It's a CEO preference. That's all. I'm not the CEO, but he's a RL friend of 20 years, so I'm happy to go with the flow because we have fun.

That just makes the statement that goons have won Eve even more crazy, since there's no single way to play the game or to decide what is victory.


And why doesn't he take sov, ask him, and that fun part is key to it, because the Goons specialise in making sov defence a battle of wills where they will take joy in making you not want to log on. You are safer running around low sec doing small fleets and kidding yourself that the Goons have no effect on you.

I don't need to ask him. I know exactly why he doesn't and you are wrong. Plain and simple.

You couldn't be anymore wrong if you tried. It has nothing in the slightest to do with Goons or any other group and it isn't something I'll discuss with you. So **** off with your normal bullshit. He has his reasons and they are valid and not what you think.

The Goons aren't winning the Eve I play and there is no way possible they could. Good luck to them and how they play. Their success is a credit to them. Doesn't affect me in the slightest though.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#342 - 2015-10-16 06:35:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Scipio Artelius wrote:
I don't need to ask him. I know exactly why he doesn't and you are wrong. Plain and simple.

You couldn't be anymore wrong if you tried. It has nothing in the slightest to do with Goons or any other group and it isn't something I'll discuss with you. So **** off with your normal bullshit. He has his reasons and they are valid and not what you think.


Keep kidding yourself then, I guess its because you don't want to be tied down or something wishy washy like that, its fine that's your victory conditions which is fine, to have fun and keep your alliance doing fun stuff, why would doing that not be fun? I notice a bit of emotion there in your reply, because you know that its true, you just do not want to admit it.

EDIT: You are obviously an old player, have you been in a sov war with the Goons? I have been in 4.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#343 - 2015-10-16 06:39:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Dracvlad wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
I don't need to ask him. I know exactly why he doesn't and you are wrong. Plain and simple.

You couldn't be anymore wrong if you tried. It has nothing in the slightest to do with Goons or any other group and it isn't something I'll discuss with you. So **** off with your normal bullshit. He has his reasons and they are valid and not what you think.


Keep kidding yourself then, I guess its because you don't want to be tied down or something wishy washy like that, its fine that's your victory conditions which is fine, to have fun and keep your alliance doing fun stuff, why would doing that not be fun? I notice a bit of emotion there in your reply, because you know that its true, you just do not want to admit it.

EDIT: You are obviously an old player, have you been in a sov war with the Goons? I have been in 4.


Never been in a sov war. I played for 2 years before goons even existed and then stopped for 7 years before coming back in 2013.

Never fought a war with Goons and I couldn't care less about doing so.

Whatever you do. Good for you. Still immensely wrong in your assumptions.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#344 - 2015-10-16 06:41:36 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
I don't need to ask him. I know exactly why he doesn't and you are wrong. Plain and simple.

You couldn't be anymore wrong if you tried. It has nothing in the slightest to do with Goons or any other group and it isn't something I'll discuss with you. So **** off with your normal bullshit. He has his reasons and they are valid and not what you think.


Keep kidding yourself then, I guess its because you don't want to be tied down or something wishy washy like that, its fine that's your victory conditions which is fine, to have fun and keep your alliance doing fun stuff, why would doing that not be fun? I notice a bit of emotion there in your reply, because you know that its true, you just do not want to admit it.

EDIT: You are obviously an old player, have you been in a sov war with the Goons? I have been in 4.

You're a ******* ******. Nothing else.

Never been in a sov war. I played for 2 years before goons even existed and then stopped for 7 years before coming back in 2013.

Never fought a war with Goons and I couldn't care less about doing so.


Then you are kidding yourself mate, and have no idea what you are talking about.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#345 - 2015-10-16 06:42:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Dracvlad wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
I don't need to ask him. I know exactly why he doesn't and you are wrong. Plain and simple.

You couldn't be anymore wrong if you tried. It has nothing in the slightest to do with Goons or any other group and it isn't something I'll discuss with you. So **** off with your normal bullshit. He has his reasons and they are valid and not what you think.


Keep kidding yourself then, I guess its because you don't want to be tied down or something wishy washy like that, its fine that's your victory conditions which is fine, to have fun and keep your alliance doing fun stuff, why would doing that not be fun? I notice a bit of emotion there in your reply, because you know that its true, you just do not want to admit it.

EDIT: You are obviously an old player, have you been in a sov war with the Goons? I have been in 4.

You're a ******* ******. Nothing else.

Never been in a sov war. I played for 2 years before goons even existed and then stopped for 7 years before coming back in 2013.

Never fought a war with Goons and I couldn't care less about doing so.


Then you are kidding yourself mate, and have no idea what you are talking about.

Clearly that makes two of us.

But you can continue to be a victim and deciding that you've lost. Meanwhile, I'll continue enjoying my game and not caring about Goons in the slightest.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#346 - 2015-10-16 06:47:05 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
I don't need to ask him. I know exactly why he doesn't and you are wrong. Plain and simple.

You couldn't be anymore wrong if you tried. It has nothing in the slightest to do with Goons or any other group and it isn't something I'll discuss with you. So **** off with your normal bullshit. He has his reasons and they are valid and not what you think.


Keep kidding yourself then, I guess its because you don't want to be tied down or something wishy washy like that, its fine that's your victory conditions which is fine, to have fun and keep your alliance doing fun stuff, why would doing that not be fun? I notice a bit of emotion there in your reply, because you know that its true, you just do not want to admit it.

EDIT: You are obviously an old player, have you been in a sov war with the Goons? I have been in 4.

You're a ******* ******. Nothing else.

Never been in a sov war. I played for 2 years before goons even existed and then stopped for 7 years before coming back in 2013.

Never fought a war with Goons and I couldn't care less about doing so.


Then you are kidding yourself mate, and have no idea what you are talking about.

Clearly that makes two of us because you have absolutely 0 clue about what I consider having a winning time in the game.



So you have your own victory conditions then, like I have, which for my part do not involve putting myself in a position to be cub stomped by the Goons, fair enough, but if you cannot be honest with yourself there is not much point in replying to you, apart from the amusement of watching you get upset.

Good luck on having fun and all that, but if you try to give the impression that the Goons have no impact on your choices in this game think again, that is naive, totally naive.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#347 - 2015-10-16 06:52:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
There can be out of game reasons for not chasing sov and for not doing certain other things in game.

It doesn't all have to come down to whatever condition you think are the reasons to play this game, and no matter what you think in relation to that, you are way off the mark.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#348 - 2015-10-16 06:56:32 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
But you can continue to be a victim and deciding that you've lost. Meanwhile, I'll continue enjoying my game and not caring about Goons in the slightest.


Added that in afterwards, victim that's funny, lets have a look at the sov wars, first one was a lost one with the collapse of IT, second we won but was not so much the Goons only their pets, third was a glorious defeat, the 300 Spartans indeed and fourth was a damp squib loss where the Goons made it clear that there was no chance and the whole thing collapsed...

I only lost combat ships in those fights and killed a lot more than I lost and in all cases I got all mystuff out and ended up with more ISK then when I went in. So much for being a victim, its like when CODE assume I have lost ships to them, in fact not a single ship have I lost to CODE.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#349 - 2015-10-16 06:58:42 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
There can be out of game reasons for not chasing sov and for not doing certain other things in game.

It doesn't all have to come down to whatever condition you think are the reasons to play this game, and no matter what you think in relation to that, you are way off the mark.


That's fine, but for many people sov is their end game and many do not bother trying at this point even with the changes to sov mechanics.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#350 - 2015-10-16 07:00:57 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:

Yeah that was the original quote, but still the gank target is worthless in PvP because he has no way to fight back.


This is only true if the player decides to ignore every single way to avoid being ganked.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#351 - 2015-10-16 07:02:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Dracvlad wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
There can be out of game reasons for not chasing sov and for not doing certain other things in game.

It doesn't all have to come down to whatever condition you think are the reasons to play this game, and no matter what you think in relation to that, you are way off the mark.


That's fine, but for many people sov is their end game and many do not bother trying at this point even with the changes to sov mechanics.

Yes of course it's fine.

Goons certainly didn't win the Eve I'm playing (just as I said on the previous page).

Whether they are or not for others, is totally up to them. I didn't make a judgement for anyone else but me.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#352 - 2015-10-16 07:12:02 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Yeah that was the original quote, but still the gank target is worthless in PvP because he has no way to fight back.


This is only true if the player decides to ignore every single way to avoid being ganked.


The easiest is by not playing...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#353 - 2015-10-16 07:17:46 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Numerically the odds are vastly skewed against them.
And yet in reality they aren't

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
By changing the word tears to ISK the same could be said of any group of Eve players.
Sure, and when people want a stupidly easy way of making ISK, people rally against them. It seems to be a recurring problem that when someone wants the game weighted in their favour, that's bad unless they shoot noobs, then it somehow fine.

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I disagree, the changes to the wardec mechanisms and the associated mechanics that allow people to avoid them essentially forced the smaller wardec groups to team up in order to be able to spread their wardecs over multiple targets in order to have something to shoot at
How have they? The main changes to wardecs is you can now have pretty much as many as you want and people can't use dec shields or shed wars anymore. At the same time, non-PvP corps in highsec are pretty much extinct.

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
There is no truth in your statement about the game being primarily made up of "griefers". Nor am I a griefer, although the Angel Cartel would probably disagree if they weren't NPCs.
You may not be, but it's clear from your response that you're OK with it.

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
That swings both ways, continuing to allow "carebears" to remove entertainment via proxy (CCP) from paying customers for no reason other than they can isn't the best move either.
Good thing carbears aren't doing that then. You're always going to have people on both sides, and the idea is for there to be a balance, which is sadly lacking, hence the incredible lack of players these days. That said, games are about entertainment. If your entire purpose for playing is trashing someone else's day so you can post tears on your ****** blog, then you should probably just be removed for the betterment of the game.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#354 - 2015-10-16 07:27:09 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
That swings both ways, continuing to allow "carebears" to remove entertainment via proxy (CCP) from paying customers for no reason other than they can isn't the best move either.
Good thing carbears aren't doing that then. You're always going to have people on both sides, and the idea is for there to be a balance, which is sadly lacking, hence the incredible lack of players these days. That said, games are about entertainment. If your entire purpose for playing is trashing someone else's day so you can post tears on your ****** blog, then you should probably just be removed for the betterment of the game.


So ban all pvp then because people are going to rage over anything pvp related.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#355 - 2015-10-16 07:44:46 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
That swings both ways, continuing to allow "carebears" to remove entertainment via proxy (CCP) from paying customers for no reason other than they can isn't the best move either.
Good thing carbears aren't doing that then. You're always going to have people on both sides, and the idea is for there to be a balance, which is sadly lacking, hence the incredible lack of players these days. That said, games are about entertainment. If your entire purpose for playing is trashing someone else's day so you can post tears on your ****** blog, then you should probably just be removed for the betterment of the game.


So ban all pvp then because people are going to rage over anything pvp related.


That's a bit unbalanced isn't it, in more ways than one Big smile

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#356 - 2015-10-16 08:16:07 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


That's a bit unbalanced isn't it, in more ways than one Big smile


The river of tears has many tributaries.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#357 - 2015-10-16 08:32:40 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


That's a bit unbalanced isn't it, in more ways than one Big smile


The river of tears has many tributaries.


So zen like, except it isn't...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

roberts dragon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#358 - 2015-10-16 08:47:59 UTC
killing a player who cant fight back is a tad plastic period , so if this is the end of code how many of the so called hardcore plastic ganker/seal clubbers will become carebears . I will get the popcorn out
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#359 - 2015-10-16 09:13:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Lucas Kell wrote:
And yet in reality they aren't
Do you know how to count? Gankers are a minority, a vocal minority yet a minority none the less.

Quote:
Sure, and when people want a stupidly easy way of making ISK, people rally against them.
Hence groups like CODE. who rallied against the stupidly easy ways of making isk that often involve not bothering to be at the keyboard while raking in isk

Quote:
How have they? The main changes to wardecs is you can now have pretty much as many as you want and people can't use dec shields or shed wars anymore. At the same time, non-PvP corps in highsec are pretty much extinct.
They're forced to because the cost of wardeccing a corp rose considerably (ask PIRAT and Marmite, who spend billions every week in order to have things to shoot at), especially when you wish to wardec a large corp. FYI it's extremely easy to shed a war, you close corp and reform it, wardec shed.

Quote:
You may not be, but it's clear from your response that you're OK with it.
Of course I am, the so called "griefers" provide me with isk making opportunities, they also provide content for me in that I actively play the game in order to not get caught by them.

Quote:
Good thing carbears aren't doing that then. You're always going to have people on both sides, and the idea is for there to be a balance, which is sadly lacking, hence the incredible lack of players these days. That said, games are about entertainment. If your entire purpose for playing is trashing someone else's day so you can post tears on your ****** blog, then you should probably just be removed for the betterment of the game.
Your first sentence is wishful thinking, carebears have been calling for, and getting, CCP to remove gameplay elements for years, simply because they don't like them. As for your claim that low player numbers are due to a lack of balance, that is speculation.

Your final statement would remove 90% of the people who generate content in the game. You may as well just make PvP illegal because it generates torrents of amusing tears and blog posts extracting the urine from those people who produce the tears.

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Scipio Artelius
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Flying Dangerous
#360 - 2015-10-16 09:29:45 UTC
roberts dragon wrote:
killing a player who cant fight back is a tad plastic period , so if this is the end of code how many of the so called hardcore plastic ganker/seal clubbers will become carebears . I will get the popcorn out

Lucky we're playing Eve then, where that isn't the case. Every character can fight back.

My industry alt does everything she can to not be ganked or otherwise killed in highsec. There's a lot more to fighting than using guns.