EVE General Discussion

A good 2-3 years ago now I said that we needed a new resource model for the game, a model that decentralised our static values and shifted minerals away from areas of high turn over. OK yes we see that to a SMALL degree with belt respawns, but I was referring to more like adjusting the universe to a set limit of minerals (much lower than we have now for the purposes of ships in action) and then having belts and anoms run completely dry as resources were depleted. Ships must die in order to replenish belts, mineral starvation forces excess ships to get whelped or reprocessed, as resources are hungrily devoured in central systems they respawn in outer systems eventually creating an ecosystem where your resources are concentrated at the edges of your territory thus creating friction between neighbours who then have a real chance of interdicting hostile mining fleets and upsetting their industrial capacity.

But will you ever see that kind of change?

T2 mining ships did get a boost to their tank. The skiff and the procurer boast have rather impressive tanks when fit properly. Mining in NS has become more of a thing since it now affects the defense indices. It is not uncommon to see a mining fleet complete with boosts up most of the day.

The reason that a destroyer often works against a mining barge is because many miners don’t fit any sort of tank. Instead they go for max yield and a single destroyer can take them down.

So no, stop complaining about the risk of a being suicide ganked.

probably not but it would be nice

it would also serve to break up the existing meta-structures of trade routes etc

BRO, CALM DOWN YOU'RE FULL ON MAD BRO.
Nerfs to HS "PVP" = less players online? Yeah no.
Also:


THE IRONY.

So speaks a person playing in the null sec sandbox, calm down Imperium slave.

You ignore the decline caused by Dominion, you ignore the decline caused by massive force projection, you ignore the decline caused by exploiting of mechanics to kill off casual gamer participation, you ignore the decline caused by the recent sov changes and jump fatigue / cap jump range, the war dec mechanics losing the increased cost that enables perpetual war decs in hisec at the whim of the attacker, resulting in people sitting in NPC corps or one man corps. And you ignore the massive price manipulation on plex prices which is driving casual players out too (CCP needs to put a expiry date of 2 months on each plex, that will sort that out...)

You believe that its down to the removal of can baiting and its replacement by the suspect system for example, the safety tick box for corp on corp fire, the changes to war dec mechanics and not its effects, the kicking out of players abusing people in teamspeak bonus room sessions. Yeah right, so clear that, pathetic...

Go and do something interesting in your null sec sandbox and stop whining.

ISK doubling is not the sort of emergent gameplay (lol!) that interested me in any shape or form, perhaps the recent banning of false API data is one of the events that Teckos is referring to.

But thanks for your reward, next I will need a chest to pin it on.

Yes the typical "grrr Goons" from a HS shitler.

It's not quite that "goddamned simple". You guys like to pretend that the only changes being made are to nerfing PvP and that's the sole reason for player decline, but it's not. The funny thing is, I see quite the opposite. When I joined, there were plenty of pirates and scammers and general "bad guys" but it was varied play. You could do a whole load of stuff in EVE beyond that in highsec.

Now, gankers have become shockingly organised, both in game and in terms of flooding the forum to **** up any threads with ideas they don't like, half of highsec chatter is scam text and wardeccers systematically destroy anyone that tries to grow a non-PvP corp. While there have been more mechanical changes to reduce HS PvP than increase it (though there have been changes on both sides), there have been far more behavioural changes that increase it drastically.

People join this game and if they don't already know someone to show them the ropes or aren't super lucky and stumble over someone legitimately trying to help them, they just turn not fodder for this growing group of asshats with nothing better to do with their time besides ruining other people's days to enlarge their epeen.

You know as well as I do that the "professionalisation" of gankers is a direct reaction to repeated swings of the nerf-bat to their play-style at, what appears to be, the behest of some hisec residents. The proactive shitting up of threads that call for further nerfs to their play-style is part of that, they're pissed at what they see as the "gentrification" of hisec.

No change there then.

Quelle surprise, it's human nature to strike back when somebody tries to drastically change the status quo, and it's not like wardeccers didn't publicly warn both players and CCP that this would happen.

While I agree with your basic premise of players requiring help to get to grips with Eve I disagree with some of your terminology, especially in the latter part.

Ruining other peoples day swings both ways, one group uses ingame mechanisms to do so, the other relies on CCP to do it for them.

Are you saying that the ganked players are not people, but part of the environment?

In the case of bots, I'd totally agree. That's kind of the point of some of what they do.

CONCORD v ganker can't be the PvE that you are referring to as there's no player v the environment. If anything, it's the opposite. Gankers don't shoot CONCORD or anything.