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I'm worried for the future of CODE and EVE online.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#241 - 2015-10-13 04:26:18 UTC
Paul Pohl wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:


Jita is 0.9.


regardless, the point remains


Have you normalized for system population? No? Gee.

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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#242 - 2015-10-13 05:10:44 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

CODE., with 1 historical exception, keep their shenanigans pretty much ingame; they certainly have never advocated threats of real life harassment and violence unto other players, nor do they laugh about it.


Thats bullcrap, hefty bullcrap...
This historical case, was not the first one, but one of the worst.
On minerbumping, code bragged how others continue with that stuff.
Bonus rooms were the exception Roll, arguably even that was in an Eve context.

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Next was AT12, where code pisssed at the CCP moderators.
Not only they silently pisssed of during the tournament, they tried hard to invent stories why they wouldn't appear and called AT unimportant and irrellevant.
what code won that time, was the title "the most pathetic wimsical liars and waanabees, the shame of the eve playerbase".
TIL that the alliance tournament takes place outside of the Eve universe.


Like ganking, even those scams are a part of eve,
BUT:
- this one commonly known case went way to far.
- you indirectly admit, that it happened more than once.
- it was not done by a single guy, the group was build by regulars.
- all documented on this infamous blog.

AT12
not in EvE universe?
Seriously?
Fighting battles between eve alliances in eve ships, in jove space is not in the eve universe?
You mean lore?
You guys, do not care for lore. When you and the likes start care for something, is when you need excuses.

you obviously do not see how completly stupid this arguments are.
You have no idea how stupid one has to be, to believe them?

Do codies believe them?

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#243 - 2015-10-13 05:21:25 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Amanda Rekenwhith wrote:
CODE creates Hi-Sec content in a dull and mostly meaningless vacuum.

You're welcome.
Honest question, since CODE's content creation is mostly self serving, why would anyone not in CODE thank CODE for it?


Exactly.

It shows, that the codies want to believe there own propaganda.
Nobody else does.

The question if hisec or nullsec ppl have more alts is irrelevant.
With roughly 400 alts assumably 4 and more Alts, the membercount is 100 ppl.
My experience ingame and following forums and certain blogs, i would say even less.

The point is, codies will not be missed.
ganking will continue.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#244 - 2015-10-13 05:24:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
La Rynx wrote:
Like ganking, even those scams are a part of eve,
BUT:
- this one commonly known case went way to far.
- you indirectly admit, that it happened more than once.
- it was not done by a single guy, the group was build by regulars.
- all documented on this infamous blog.
And nowhere did I suggest otherwise.

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AT12
not in EvE universe?
Seriously?
Fighting battles between eve alliances in eve ships, in jove space is not in the eve universe?
You mean lore?
You guys, do not care for lore. When you and the likes start care for something, is when you need excuses.
My initial post was that for the most part CODE. keep their shenanigans within the Eve universe, you're the one that brought up AT12 as an example of them doing otherwise in reply, thus implying that the Alliance Tournament takes place outside of the Eve universe.

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you obviously do not see how completly stuupid this arguments are.
You have no idea how stupid one has to be, to believe them?
Which arguments would they be?

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Do codies believe them?
Personally I wouldn't know, I'm not a codie although I count some of them as acquaintances in game.

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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#245 - 2015-10-13 05:36:38 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
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Content nobody cares about is not content. Is like the hole in a donut. When people talk donuts, the hole is undoubtedly discussed. But there are good, and often better donuts because not having the hole makes for a filling experience.

From experience, I find more content in highsec, even part of the NPC corp right now than what I got out in null for a couple of years. Strange how play options and social interacting in an MMO does that. Only reason I know or even care enough to discuss CODE is I think it has created a negative NPE that is detrimental to the full playerbase. Probably drives away as many potential good pvpers as it does carebears, if not more. Most vocal part of eve pvp right now is high SP players killing nubs. Think that is going to get people who want a challenge to sign up?



*cough*
"Krapfen" oder "Berliner" in germany.
they come in lot of variations like donuts, just not with a hole.

which seriously in pvp interested guy is satisfied with baby seal clubbing?
i would say guys who can't club anything else.
But the tougher the prey the more satisfying the fight is.

comparing the usual minergank mechanics between real pvp fights is ridiculous.
the adrenalin kick for the later is far more higher.

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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#246 - 2015-10-13 05:43:02 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
Like ganking, even those scams are a part of eve,
BUT:
- this one commonly known case went way to far.
- you indirectly admit, that it happened more than once.
- it was not done by a single guy, the group was build by regulars.
- all documented on this infamous blog.
And nowhere did I suggest otherwise.

Quote:
AT12
not in EvE universe?
Seriously?
Fighting battles between eve alliances in eve ships, in jove space is not in the eve universe?
You mean lore?
You guys, do not care for lore. When you and the likes start care for something, is when you need excuses.
My initial post was that for the most part CODE. keep their shenanigans within the Eve universe, you're the one that brought up AT12 as an example in reply, thus implying that the Alliance Tournament takes place outside of the Eve universe.

Quote:
you obviously do not see how completly stuupid this arguments are.
You have no idea how stupid one has to be, to believe them?
Which arguments would they be?

Quote:
Do codies believe them?
Personally I wouldn't know, I'm not a codie although I count some of them as acquaintances in game.

Ola, now i did say AT12 Was not inside EvE...

And of course you ( the alt) are not code.
Sure.
Which arguments...
Now you read posts with closed eyes.

you seem to have no idea, how hard is it to believe that you are not code, when you repeat their nonsense and outright lies without doubts.


example:
you claimed there was 1(ONE)! incident.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#247 - 2015-10-13 06:38:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
La Rynx wrote:
Ola, now i did say AT12 Was not inside EvE...
No, you implied it because you brought it up in reply to a post about things outside of Eve.

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And of course you ( the alt) are not code.
This character is not an alt, it's the oldest character on my account; nor is it a member of CODE. or associated organisations
Quote:
you seem to have no idea, how hard is it to believe that you are not code, when you repeat their nonsense and outright lies without doubts.
Au contraire, it is you that has no idea, hence your spouting off about me being a member of CODE. Believe what you will, you're an inconsequential self confessed forum alt, you are of no relevance or importance outside of your own misconceptions.

Quote:
example:
you claimed there was 1(ONE)! incident.
Nope I said that there was an historical exception, that exception being the practice of bonus rooms.

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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#248 - 2015-10-13 07:24:08 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
Ola, now i did say AT12 Was not inside EvE...
No, you implied it because you brought it up in reply to a post about things outside of Eve.

Quote:
And of course you ( the alt) are not code.
This character is not an alt, it's the oldest character on my account; nor is it a member of CODE. or associated organisations
Quote:
you seem to have no idea, how hard is it to believe that you are not code, when you repeat their nonsense and outright lies without doubts.
Au contraire, it is you that has no idea, hence your spouting off about me being a member of CODE. Believe what you will, you're an inconsequential self confessed forum alt, you are of no relevance or importance outside of your own misconceptions.

Quote:
example:
you claimed there was 1(ONE)! incident.
Nope I said that there was an historical exception, that exception being the practice of bonus rooms.


This character is not an alt, but the oldest character...
What?
Now you want to redefine terms!
Also, i did say, that this char ain't code.
So no other "character" of yours is code?
And you still repeat their propaganda lies?
ok...

Multiple bonus rooms mean multiple exceptions.
And concluding, i would state, AT is out side eve, because i quoted you, seems very far fetched to me.
Not to hard to understand, except one tries to make desperatly wild connections.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#249 - 2015-10-13 07:45:27 UTC
La Rynx wrote:


This character is not an alt, but the oldest character...
What?
Now you want to redefine terms!
Also, i did say, that this char ain't code.
So no other "character" of yours is code?
And you still repeat their propaganda lies?
ok...

Multiple bonus rooms mean multiple exceptions.
And concluding, i would state, AT is out side eve, because i quoted you, seems very far fetched to me.
Not to hard to understand, except one tries to make desperatly wild connections.


Well, guess it is safe to say this discussion has become useless. Roll

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#250 - 2015-10-13 07:55:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
La Rynx wrote:
This character is not an alt, but the oldest character...
The oldest character on an account is often the main character

Quote:
Also, i did say, that this char ain't code.
So no other "character" of yours is code?
Correct, none of my characters are CODE. or associated other than socially with their membership.

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And you still repeat their propaganda lies?
ok...
Kindly point out where I have lied.

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Multiple bonus rooms mean multiple exceptions.
Nope, multiple use of bonus rooms is a practice (singular) just as ganking multiple freighters is a practice (singular); together they are practices (plural). I've underlined the relevant part in the dictionary definition below.

practice
noun
1. the actual application or use of an idea, belief, or method, as opposed to theories relating to it.
"the principles and practice of teaching"
synonyms: application, exercise, use, operation, implementation, execution, enactment, action, doing More
2. the customary, habitual, or expected procedure or way of doing of something.

example "product placement is common practice in American movies"

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And concluding, i would state, AT is out side eve, because i quoted you, seems very far fetched to me.
Not to hard to understand, except one tries to make desperatly wild connections.

I specifically referred to an out of game activity, in reply you made an argument that the bonus room was one of many things that CODE. took outside of the context of Eve. You then proceeded, without clarifying that you were now talking about ingame actions, to spout off about the Alliance Tournament and how CODE. urinated on it with their actions. Ergo you implied by omission that the Alliance Tournament was an out of game activity.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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#251 - 2015-10-13 09:07:40 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
AT12
not in EvE universe?
Seriously?
Fighting battles between eve alliances in eve ships, in jove space is not in the eve universe?
You mean lore?
You guys, do not care for lore. When you and the likes start care for something, is when you need excuses.
My initial post was that for the most part CODE. keep their shenanigans within the Eve universe, you're the one that brought up AT12 as an example of them doing otherwise in reply, thus implying that the Alliance Tournament takes place outside of the Eve universe.
[quote]

Wow, La Rynx is still butthurt about the AT? Just wow. This was really totally worth it, I mean the amount of tears this still produces.

Evil RatKid
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#252 - 2015-10-13 09:20:23 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Wow, La Rynx is still butthurt about the AT? Just wow. This was really totally worth it, I mean the amount of tears this still produces.


He's just a lone NPC (how shocking) on a mission to continually tell the other forum users how we're not relevant.

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Black Pedro
Mine.
#253 - 2015-10-13 09:35:48 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
AT12
not in EvE universe?
Seriously?
Fighting battles between eve alliances in eve ships, in jove space is not in the eve universe?
You mean lore?
You guys, do not care for lore. When you and the likes start care for something, is when you need excuses.
My initial post was that for the most part CODE. keep their shenanigans within the Eve universe, you're the one that brought up AT12 as an example of them doing otherwise in reply, thus implying that the Alliance Tournament takes place outside of the Eve universe.
[quote]

Wow, La Rynx is still butthurt about the AT? Just wow. This was really totally worth it, I mean the amount of tears this still produces.

I know right? The hypocrisy and mental gymnastics many Eve players seem to go through to justify why CODE. not showing up for a fight deserved a permaban, while confirmed cheaters and match fixers get off with much more milder, or even no penalties is endlessly entertaining. Again this year, tournament participants were found to be outright cheating and only were given a slap on the wrist and will be back again even after the CODE. precedent.

So La Rynx, for yet another time, the Code wins. Bringing up the AT as some sort of example of malfeasance on the part of CODE. lost all shred of validity when CCP let the latest match fixing teams off the hook without a permaban. It's probably best to let it go and save your tears for stuff that Code is currently doing rather than their past successes, like the ATXII victory.

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#254 - 2015-10-13 10:35:10 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
La Rynx wrote:


This character is not an alt, but the oldest character...
What?
Now you want to redefine terms!
Also, i did say, that this char ain't code.
So no other "character" of yours is code?
And you still repeat their propaganda lies?
ok...

Multiple bonus rooms mean multiple exceptions.
And concluding, i would state, AT is out side eve, because i quoted you, seems very far fetched to me.
Not to hard to understand, except one tries to make desperatly wild connections.


Well, guess it is safe to say this discussion has become useless. Roll


Judging by that persons' signature, there's no point in engaging at all. You're not going to get a real discussion.
Max Fubarticus
Raging Main
Bullets Bombs and Blondes
#255 - 2015-10-13 10:50:51 UTC
Quote:
I'm worried for future of CODE and EVE online.


The title implies that somehow, CODE and EVE Online are inexplicably linked. It would also imply that somehow, both provide content. Only part of that statement is factual. While EVE online provides content as was designed, CODE provides nothing of substance or significance that could justify placing both names in the same sentence. In other words, CODE is no more relevant than any other corp/alliance. Anyone can lay claim to self importance. Only a few can back it up.

Have a wonderful day...Smile

Max

Civil discourse is uniquely human. After all, when is the last time a pride of lions and a herd of water buffalo negotiated SOV over a watering hole? Never. Someone either gets their ass kicked or eaten. At the end of the day someone holds SOV.
Top Guac
Doomheim
#256 - 2015-10-13 10:59:52 UTC
Max Fubarticus wrote:
Quote:
I'm worried for future of CODE and EVE online.


The title implies that somehow, CODE and EVE Online are inexplicably linked. It would also imply that somehow, both provide content. Only part of that statement is factual. While EVE online provides content as was designed, CODE provides nothing of substance or significance that could justify placing both names in the same sentence. In other words, CODE is no more relevant than any other corp/alliance. Anyone can lay claim to self importance. Only a few can back it up.

Have a wonderful day...Smile

Max

Max, this takes the quacamole.

You have won the top quac award of the day and will receive the JamesBeam Medal of Bullshit to forever mark the occasion.

Send me any amount of ISK in game and I will double it for you.
Max Fubarticus
Raging Main
Bullets Bombs and Blondes
#257 - 2015-10-13 11:18:21 UTC
Top Guac wrote:
Max Fubarticus wrote:
Quote:
I'm worried for future of CODE and EVE online.


The title implies that somehow, CODE and EVE Online are inexplicably linked. It would also imply that somehow, both provide content. Only part of that statement is factual. While EVE online provides content as was designed, CODE provides nothing of substance or significance that could justify placing both names in the same sentence. In other words, CODE is no more relevant than any other corp/alliance. Anyone can lay claim to self importance. Only a few can back it up.

Have a wonderful day...Smile

Max

Max, this takes the quacamole.

You have won the top quac award of the day and will receive the JamesBeam Medal of Bullshit to forever mark the occasion.

Send me any amount of ISK in game and I will double it for you.


Thank you... I will place that award outside, next to the plastic pink flamingos and lawn trolls.

(psst... that's "Guacamole", "Quack" and "Jim Beam" which should never be used in the same sentence. PETA may take offense as it references a duck consuming party snacks and consuming alcohol.) Big smile

Max

Civil discourse is uniquely human. After all, when is the last time a pride of lions and a herd of water buffalo negotiated SOV over a watering hole? Never. Someone either gets their ass kicked or eaten. At the end of the day someone holds SOV.
Cannibal Zuza
Doomheim
#258 - 2015-10-13 11:56:19 UTC
Frank Armour wrote:
I personally think that the game is stagnant because it has'nt adjusted to the lower number of "real" players. I know for a fact, like anyone else, that most people have multiple accounts. I believe that even tho Tranquility is showing 25k players at peak time. I'ts probably something closer to 17.5k in reality. There's nothing wrong with having several accounts but the issue with several accounts is that no matter how good you are at multitasking, you usually will use them each for a specific task... most people I know have like 10 toons for PI on 4 different accounts. CCP is aware of that fact, is embracing it and is even about to change the EVE launcher to accomodate it. Now to my point! If you have that many toons and even if they are all for combat you will tend to hang out in the same vicinity/area for pure convenience. I believe changes that could help goes has follow.

- Reduce the size of Null sec and High sec by something like a third to a half of it's curent size.
Reason mentioned above PLUS, less useless traveling time, more people per system, create ressources fight(gold rush kinda deal) and easier to travel with the new restrictions to jump distance imposed to carrier and JF.

- Remove Skills requirements for side jobs (Scanning/Exploration & PI) .
This will do two things. Lower the amounts of secondary toons needed to attend to side activities and give more time to play on your main character. For most of the veterans, this will sound like blasphemy but since I started playing this game, having a secondary character became almost mandatory and that's no good for new players perception of the game or game experience.

- Reduce the Jump Clone re-activation time to 12hrs or even less with appropriate skills.
If I decide to go missionning in High-Sec in the morning and wants to participate in a fleet that has been posted before supper for the evening. Why am I not allow to jump clone back to Null? Waiting 22hrs with full skills? Jump around from HiSec to Null tru Low and loose like 15-30mins of my game time on damn travel again?

The MAIN thing that comes to mind with all those ideas I propose is MOBILITY! This game lacks MOBILITY!

Some people might enjoy the morning time they spend going tru all their PI character and then Hauling **** 23 jumps away but I don't. I like to have one or two character and still enjoy everything the game has to offer.

Just my 2cents. I'm sure you guys will let me know what y'all thinks.


You should be disqualified from posting in the forums due to this repugnant crap you posted.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#259 - 2015-10-13 12:27:48 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
There is next to zero "exposure to other players" in NPC corp chats.
Incorrect. I know loads of people that use NPC corp chat regularly. I also use it on a few of my alts.

Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Forcing players out of NPC corps just promotes better integration into existing corps, or them forming their own, both of which are player based entities and more conducive to content. NPC corps are inherently NPC. They are not dynamic, nor can provide content or any input of anykind, in and of themselves, and fail in every comparison to actual player corps.
People creating single man corps because they are forced to does not promote content. It simply promotes someone dropping from a chat room.

Salvos Rhoska wrote:
The only advantage that an NPC corp (currently) offers, is wardec immunity.
Thats a very thin veneer of an excuse to justify their existance, and fails very hard when compared to what all else a player corp can offer.
A single man corp offers nothing. You're comparing the benefits of being in an active player corp to being in an empty NPC corp, then acting like that's what would happen. It wouldn't. Most NPC corp players would end up in their own solo corp being even less social than before.

Salvos Rhoska wrote:
I'm so goddam tired of stating the blatantly obvious and simple to persons either too stupid or belligerent to recognize them for themselves. These are SIMPLE AND OBVIOUS MATTERS. They should stand as automatic and understood, and not require stating separately as to a 2yr old.
You need to calm down. People aren't "stupid or belligerent" simply because they don't agree with you. You seem to be of the impression that CCP just drops NPC corps and TADA, social content erupts. I just don't see that happening. It's more likely you'd see a bunch quit, a few drop into active corps (mainly tax farms run by idiots) and the vast majority drop into single man corps and continuing as if nothing had changed, just with no tax.

People won't form proper corps in highsec all the time they are just going to become targets by doing so, so most will just split up alts, hope that wardeccers don't want to pay 50m to attack one guy, and reform if they do. Killing off NPC corps won't magically fix that.

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#260 - 2015-10-13 13:22:10 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
AT12
not in EvE universe?
Seriously?
Fighting battles between eve alliances in eve ships, in jove space is not in the eve universe?
You mean lore?
You guys, do not care for lore. When you and the likes start care for something, is when you need excuses.
My initial post was that for the most part CODE. keep their shenanigans within the Eve universe, you're the one that brought up AT12 as an example of them doing otherwise in reply, thus implying that the Alliance Tournament takes place outside of the Eve universe.
[quote]

Wow, La Rynx is still butthurt about the AT? Just wow. This was really totally worth it, I mean the amount of tears this still produces.


Especially when I'm pretty sure La Rynx is one of the guys that was trying to egg several people into killing themselves during the whole thing he keeps talking about.

Which is, you know, orders of magnitude worse than any of the crap he keeps bringing up about CODE.

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