EVE General Discussion

Anyone who is logged in and undocked has consented to pvp, therefore there are none that do not play 'their' way.



There will (hopefully) never be a better textbook example of why predators are needed to make gameplay interesting, meaningful, and worthwhile.


The problem with all the latest null changes is that they do not make it better to live there, just move convenient and necessary for the powers that be to fill systems with people. As long as hisec remains the king of accessible, available, and good income streams, all other areas will remain asphyxiated in terms of content creation, which means all the antagonist type players have no where to go besides HiSec. Maybe you can't force the real bear types to ever leave hisec, fine, but that doesn't meant that the current monopoly it has on risk-free income needs to be preserved, because quite frankly that is the root issue of so many of the game's ills.

The big issue with changing NPC corps will be the law of unintended consequences.

The first group of NPC huggers are casual players. They don't give a trit about your desire for content, they just want to log in and do whatever makes them happy, and clearly thats not dealing with emo toxic comminity members ranting on chat, ts, or expecting everyone to feed them content. Force them out against their will and they will simply quit EVE. And we are probably talking a big chunk of sub money for CCP to lose.

The next group is probably as big if not bigger than the first. Thats all the carebear and utility alts belonging to null/lowsec residents who want to be able to do whatever they do in peace. Removed from npc corps chances are they will unsub most of those accounts.

The final group is all the lost souls who nobody wants in a corp because they are noobs, retards, thieves and scammers.

So just ejected everyone really benefits nobody but a select minority of the playerbase who just want to be able to wardec and fight anyone they choose, anywhere.

I find it unlikely that CCP will make such a radical change to satisfy such a small group.

Like it or not, carebears pay CCP's bills. If you are expecting radical change to suit a small minority of whiny gangbangers you're wasting your time.

I'd love to see highsec in anarchy for the lulz, but CCP isn't about to let us bbq the cashcow.

Very many of us who PVE as our main thing understand that (don't let this vocal forum "nerf gankers especially CODE" minority fool you). That's the divide in the PVE community, those that get it (and thus aren't afraid of PVP or even unwanted PVP but rather see that as a challenge to be defeated or better yet,. ignored), and those that don't (and thus see pvp as an intrusion that should be 'legislated away' by the powers that be rather than confronted and overcome individually).

The funny thing is that of the 2 sides, one gets focused on by the gankers because of their mentality, while the other gets ignored (making gankers even less of a concern). It astounds me how they can just 'not get it' so hard that they'd rather be victims of the people they hate than choose a path free from such victimization.

My theory is that carebear is a mental illness. It pretty much explains all of it, the self defeating, contradictory actions, the persecution complexes, the outbursts of rage against observable reality.

I mean, if they get to try and headshrink us and claim we're all socio/psychopaths, the least I can do is point out they're all malignant narcissists with inferiority complexes.

Nullsec PvE already is well ahead of highsec PvE.
They are just posting BS numbers. The 50 mil on lvl 3's was not a shitfit Mach and a month old character. It was a fully faction fit Mach flown by a very very experienced player who knew his missions inside and out, who used blitzing techniques that aren't actually long term sustainable. (people trying them have gotten their standings shot in short order and had to use slower earning to rebuild them). And a very good string of missions to go with that.
CCP Devs have outright said this on these forums in the past in response to some of these complaints.

They just like to carebear in high for the same reasons most people 'carebear'. Because we want some quiet time where we aren't madly looking over our shoulder every second. But want to force everyone else in high to come and be targets for them when they want to shoot people.

When I am in highsec I want to just dunk some carebears who don't look over their shoulder. So it seams both of us get what they want and content is created. I don't see a problem here.

That's why I'm saying that if you move all the ISK faucets (incentive) into null in order to push the playerbase out of highsec you need to radically revamp sov mechanics (barrier) for that to work.

The other big helper would be to force movement through resource depletion. Moon goo runs out then a "new deposit" is discovered...on another moon in a totally different region. Etc.

It strikes me that this was not designed as a game to be played AFK...players exploited the system in order to do so. Nothing wrong with changing that.

How this got to 11 pages, I'll never know...

I'm not worried about CODE in the slightest. We haven't even gotten confirmation that a broken dialog bog on Sisi even means that they're going to make this change on TQ. For all we know, they put that in there for performance reasons, as its not the same hardware as TQ.

Even if they do plan on nuking hyperdunking, CODE will just go back to using 25 man fleets like they did before hyperdunking even existed.

Actually the total isk I spent to match the 200mill you get in null is around 5bill. Could be 7bill but I don't want to go completely overboard you know? I have a garmur, orthrus, vagabond, the Mach, a wolf, a vigilant, hawk and 3 daredevils. Most of them get away with mostly T2 fits (Vigilant is all T2 thank god) but it adds up. Oh and a Rattler for certain storylines.

There's also the fact that for a character to reach that level you're looking at 2 years of focussed training. 3 years for me, got some cap skills and other useless junk in there. This is the same or more plex cost as 4 x 6month ishtar alts (3x6 months if you're happy with 180m/h). Quicker to get off the ground too.

Also, what's the average alts per player number again? Almost 2 right? I know I have an alt account. I can see nullsec guys having more. You got your super alt (with 2 cyno/PI toons), you got your main (with 2 cyno/PI toons) and you might have an incursion alt, again with PI/Cyno toons. Replace one of the cyno toons with a FW alt of course. Convert some of those into ishtar alts, add another account and yey, almost no cost you weren't paying anyways. At worst your upkeep in terms of monthly subs is maybe double what I'm paying. If you graduate those isktars into carriers you'd cover that pretty easily and then some.

And please, WHs to null got nerfed so hard it's not even funny. You're also replacing each of those ishtars every hour.

oh and theres probably a couple dozen places, maybe even a couple hundred, you can do this in null. In HS there's pretty much just the 3 or 4 places I know of. Mission hubs are not known to be 'safe' places.

Bias indeed.

Almost 2/3 of the player base has just one account. Of course, that doesn't exclude alts, but the alt accounts seems to be less than we often assume.