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[IKAME] Planned penetrations of Drifter Hive facilities

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Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#21 - 2015-10-09 07:25:36 UTC
My organization is no friend to the Drifter. In fact, the Empress herself named an Entosis module after Pandemic Legion to honor our assistance in understanding the tech.

However it should be known that Miss Priano has no control over her associates. The latter are a rowdy lot unwilling to apologize for their wrongdoings - in the case calling me "the biggest pussy" and challenging me to a fight (from the safty of Jita IV-4 - not quite an exploration hub) and then complaining when I show up.

Until this matter is resolved - I'm only looking for a simple apology - I will encourage everyone to avoid using the services of Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. I personally will see that any of their military expeditions will come on hard times, and I would hate to see honorable researchers and freelancers punished. As such I will offer my assistance in any reconnaissance missions that require a military presence - free of charge. Likewise, I will offer a reward five times greater than Miss Priano's organization - for verified information of course. I will make sure any such information is turned over to the public, unmodified, and without charge.

Elise Randolph

~

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2015-10-09 07:27:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Diana Kim wrote:
Avio Yaken wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Mr. Egivand, I usually advise pilots to ignore the madwoman.


Unless he deliberately wishes to kick a beehive.

As I am doing right now.



There will be hundreds of songs and poems about your bravery

Brave Sir Elmund ran away
Bravely ran away away
When danger reared its ugly head
He bravely turned his tail and fled
Yes, brave Sir Elmund turned about
And gallantly he chickened out


(As what happened last time I saw him in space)


Because it's a smart thing to engage a combat vessel in an exploration/scouting vessel.

Keep thinking like that and you will never be able to survive if the universe ever decides to stop killing each other and settle down.

I imagine you will turn pirate then and there.

Admit it. You are just sore that you are denied an easy kill. You come in, expecting to catch an exploration frigate off-guard, and get a free killmail, only to find that the guy in the exploration vessel is fitted just for that event and had been watching the D-scan and is already ready to warp out.

You are just like a 15 year old who thinks she figured everything out only to find her little Thorax model taken away and then throw a tantrum.

Get used to having the universe not bending itself backwards for your benefit.

Besides, WHERE WERE YOU WHEN MY BREACHER WAS VISITING YOUR SYSTEM? HUH? HUH? Too afraid to take on something that can actually retaliate in kind without the support of a hundred buddies?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#23 - 2015-10-09 07:30:03 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Doubt that'll be the case.


Never underestimate what Pandemic Legion will do when they're bored.

And they're bored.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-10-09 09:30:46 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Avio Yaken wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Mr. Egivand, I usually advise pilots to ignore the madwoman.


Unless he deliberately wishes to kick a beehive.

As I am doing right now.



There will be hundreds of songs and poems about your bravery

Brave Sir Elmund ran away
Bravely ran away away
When danger reared its ugly head
He bravely turned his tail and fled
Yes, brave Sir Elmund turned about
And gallantly he chickened out


(As what happened last time I saw him in space)


Now we don't normally agree on much but I have to complement you on your choice of Gallentean comedy verse. There is little finer comedy available for your amusement.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2015-10-09 10:07:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Another note to add:

Honourable Diana Kim engaged an unarmed Probe-class frigate in a Caracal. Gets all pissy that the easy kill got away because the easy kill actually really isn't that easy (for he has prepared for the eventuality of being engaged by hostiles) and has eyes on the D-scan.

In other words, she wants the universe to bend backwards for her and give her an easy kill and threw a tantrum when the universe blew her off and said, "Well, why don't you work on catching this non-oblivious bastard this time around?".

And I never see her undock to engage my Breacher every time I drop by, even when I was suicidal enough to hang out to capture a few complexes (suicidal because local is filled with Caldari militia and I should have also consider the possibility of offgrid cloaked booster Lokis).

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#26 - 2015-10-09 11:21:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Elise Randolph wrote:
...


With due respect, the thread in question quickly became a fairly ridiculous pissing match, and I really couldn't make myself read it all. I don't think any of us escaped that cleanly.

However, if you're willing to talk privately, I believe we can reach a mutually agreeable conclusion without much difficulty.

In service,
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.

Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?

Sahriah BloodStone
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#27 - 2015-10-09 18:14:10 UTC
Elise Randolph wrote:
My organization is no friend to the Drifter. In fact, the Empress herself named an Entosis module after Pandemic Legion to honor our assistance in understanding the tech.

However it should be known that Miss Priano has no control over her associates. The latter are a rowdy lot unwilling to apologize for their wrongdoings - in the case calling me "the biggest pussy" and challenging me to a fight (from the safty of Jita IV-4 - not quite an exploration hub) and then complaining when I show up.

Until this matter is resolved - I'm only looking for a simple apology - I will encourage everyone to avoid using the services of Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. I personally will see that any of their military expeditions will come on hard times, and I would hate to see honorable researchers and freelancers punished. As such I will offer my assistance in any reconnaissance missions that require a military presence - free of charge. Likewise, I will offer a reward five times greater than Miss Priano's organization - for verified information of course. I will make sure any such information is turned over to the public, unmodified, and without charge.

Elise Randolph


With respect Ms. Randolph, while the incident between Mr. Victorian and yourself was as foolish as it was amusing, Ms. Priano has always conducted herself in a respectable and trustworthy fashion and her contributions to the scientific community have been invaluable.

To purposely disrupt her operations to secure more intelligence on the Drifters, because of such a petty personal disagreement with one of her members, seems illogical, especially when the very entity they are investigating is the one attacking the Empire you and your alliance have sworn to protect, defend and represent. I am sure someone as intelligent and capable as yourself will realize that there are some things more important than who can beat up who.

On that note, I would like to offer my assistance to Ms. Priano and her organization wherever I can, and I would encourage Ms. Randolph to show her true dedication to protecting the Empire and combine her resources with these expeditions.

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "

Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#28 - 2015-10-10 02:18:46 UTC
Sahriah BloodStone wrote:
Elise Randolph wrote:
My organization is no friend to the Drifter. In fact, the Empress herself named an Entosis module after Pandemic Legion to honor our assistance in understanding the tech.

However it should be known that Miss Priano has no control over her associates. The latter are a rowdy lot unwilling to apologize for their wrongdoings - in the case calling me "the biggest pussy" and challenging me to a fight (from the safty of Jita IV-4 - not quite an exploration hub) and then complaining when I show up.

Until this matter is resolved - I'm only looking for a simple apology - I will encourage everyone to avoid using the services of Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. I personally will see that any of their military expeditions will come on hard times, and I would hate to see honorable researchers and freelancers punished. As such I will offer my assistance in any reconnaissance missions that require a military presence - free of charge. Likewise, I will offer a reward five times greater than Miss Priano's organization - for verified information of course. I will make sure any such information is turned over to the public, unmodified, and without charge.

Elise Randolph


With respect Ms. Randolph, while the incident between Mr. Victorian and yourself was as foolish as it was amusing, Ms. Priano has always conducted herself in a respectable and trustworthy fashion and her contributions to the scientific community have been invaluable.

To purposely disrupt her operations to secure more intelligence on the Drifters, because of such a petty personal disagreement with one of her members, seems illogical, especially when the very entity they are investigating is the one attacking the Empire you and your alliance have sworn to protect, defend and represent. I am sure someone as intelligent and capable as yourself will realize that there are some things more important than who can beat up who.

On that note, I would like to offer my assistance to Ms. Priano and her organization wherever I can, and I would encourage Ms. Randolph to show her true dedication to protecting the Empire and combine her resources with these expeditions.



I appreciate the candor, but this is by no means a frivolous display of force. The company one choose to keep is often a reflection of oneself - especially when we choose to keep precious few in our company. Miss Priano's associate interrupted a conversation with the sole intent to accost me. I gave him a polite warning to back down, but he chose to continue. Miss Priano then asked him to pipe down, which he also disregarded. He challenged me physically, and when I accepted the challenge he whimpered like an injured hound. He took no responsibility for his actions and decided that his ego was more important than the safety of his Corporation mates, and of this expedition. Given an out to stop the nonesense that he started, he again decided that his ego was more important.

It would be downright RECKLESS to let such an ego-driven adolescent like this near an expedition as important as this one. Instead I have offered 400% more resources and an uncountable increase in military assistance. Not to win an argument, but to keep men like Miss Priano's subordinate - which she seems unable to control - from doing any harm to such an essential experiment.

While I would love to combine resources for such a task, it is - and never has been - up to me. I've been responding to the situation around me, and should the situation become reasonable then I will act in kind.

~

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#29 - 2015-10-10 02:32:25 UTC
Comparable, I'm sure, to how reckless it is to allow Jeff Raider near other sentient beings...?

In any case, what form exactly does your military aid take? And how do you offer it? Are you in fact planning to lead expeditions into the Drifter Hives? Because if so, IKAME has publicly released infrastructure maps, and members of our expeditions have released guides and accounts of previous raids you might find useful.

Of course, if your priority is indeed support of the Empire, I doubt you'd actually interfere with these expeditions...?

Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?

Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#30 - 2015-10-10 02:55:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Elise Randolph
Makoto Priano wrote:
Comparable, I'm sure, to how reckless it is to allow Jeff Raider near other sentient beings...?


Again she deflects the accusations that her associate - Mr Victorian - is an uncontrollable and reckless force.


I am honored to call JEFFRAIDER a friend. He is a gentleman of quality, and if you are insinuating that his actions reflect unto me me then I take that as a grand compliment. Not sure why you're trying to justify the reckless actions of your Mr Victorian - who is single handedly responsible for putting IKAME into war - by comparing him with a man who intent on supporting his friends. Oh right, you have a knack for deflection.

Quote:

In any case, what form exactly does your military aid take? And how do you offer it? Are you in fact planning to lead expeditions into the Drifter Hives? Because if so, IKAME has publicly released infrastructure maps, and members of our expeditions have released guides and accounts of previous raids you might find useful.

Of course, if your priority is indeed support of the Empire, I doubt you'd actually interfere with these expeditions...?


According to Scope and DED records, Pandemic Legion is the #1 killer of Drifter battleships. In fact we were the first alliance to manipulate the Drifter AI in such a way as to allow us hold their focus in one region (Derelik) and relentlessly kill them. Likewise our research wing at SPHERE Laboratories were deemed the most instrumental in assisting the Empire in understanding Entosis technology. A research simulation, mind you, that IKAME did not even bother to attend.

While I acknowledge the great work that IKAME have put into understanding the Drifter menace - including releasing the first (public) autopsy - my very valid concerns regarding the stability of your group continue to remain unanswered. It is not our past glories that define us, but the way we respond to our most recent follies.

~

Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#31 - 2015-10-10 03:57:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Anyanka Funk
I see my thread was deleted. It's alright. I've been banned from this **** forum before. No regrets. IKAME needs to be biomassed. Don't have mercy Elise. They will have you banned too if they want.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#32 - 2015-10-10 04:03:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Elise Randolph wrote:


Again she deflects the accusations that her associate - Mr Victorian - is an uncontrollable and reckless force.


I am honored to call JEFFRAIDER a friend. He is a gentleman of quality, and if you are insinuating that his actions reflect unto me me then I take that as a grand compliment. Not sure why you're trying to justify the reckless actions of your Mr Victorian - who is single handedly responsible for putting IKAME into war - by comparing him with a man who intent on supporting his friends. Oh right, you have a knack for deflection.


I'll have to take your assessment of Raider on faith. All I saw was a singular and sort of alarming fascination with chode juggling. What are chodes, anyway? Does he farm or grow them? Is juggling them some sort of low-class sport? Frankly, I'm a bit confused by it, but that's how it goes.

As for Mr. Victorian, I've spoken with him, and he understands he's both out of line and on thin ice. That's all I can offer in this case. After all, noone involved attempted to de-escalate the situation, but instead met bluster with greater bluster.

As for responsibility for the war, let's be honest here. Was Victorian overstepping his bounds? Absolutely. However, try as you might, noone forced you to declare war. You did it of your own volition. There is no powerful entity forcing your hand on a trigger, no evil driving you to defend yourself; simply words and pride. I won't fault you for declaring the war, of course; it's any capsuleer organization's prerogative to declare war on any other. All I ask is to shed the facade that is claiming that you were not happy and willing to carry on with that farce.

Elise Randolph wrote:


According to Scope and DED records, Pandemic Legion is the #1 killer of Drifter battleships. In fact we were the first alliance to manipulate the Drifter AI in such a way as to allow us hold their focus in one region (Derelik) and relentlessly kill them. Likewise our research wing at SPHERE Laboratories were deemed the most instrumental in assisting the Empire in understanding Entosis technology. A research simulation, mind you, that IKAME did not even bother to attend.

While I acknowledge the great work that IKAME have put into understanding the Drifter menace - including releasing the first (public) autopsy - my very valid concerns regarding the stability of your group continue to remain unanswered. It is not our past glories that define us, but the way we respond to our most recent follies.


There are a lot of claims here; some worthwhile, some questionable. Let's parse them. #1 killer of Drifter battleships? Please provide a reference on that one. I personally know one of the finest Drifter hunters in the cluster, and while I'd welcome the Legion showing him up, I very much doubt that's the case. Ciniel's been hunting them by a myriad of methods since their first appearance, with Cerberus and Rattlesnake, and has demonstrated a fantastic ability to destroy those ships by the hundreds if not thousands.

Please provide a time period where you focused the Drifter threat on Derelik, so that I can check it against publicly available records of losses to Drifters. I have no doubt you've engaged them in force for the harvesting of Antikythera, but at no point have we noticed reports of their being mysteriously absent from New Eden since their appearance. Intelligence to this effect would be immensely valuable, both to the Empire and to the cluster at large.

As for the Entosis testing, your contribution is notable. However, IKAME is a small exploration group, and so frankly not interested in holding sovereignty. We did our part with testing Entosis Link technology on Jove Observatories when Carthum Conglomerate first released the technology. You'll find the public report at this link.

As for the public autopsy, you are unfortunately mistaken. That was performed by Anslo Tetua, Mizhir Starsurge, Kalo Askold, and Kybernetes Moros, per the release here. While I'd happily count them among our number, they are part of the greater research community. Our report was the analysis of the Hilen Tukoss neural tissue sample, acquired during the first penetration of a Drifter Hive. There is, as always, more work afoot, but we have no releases to make at present.

On the subject of deflection, you seemed to ignore a point; would you actually interfere with raids against the Drifters simply to spite Victorian? Is personal pride more important than attacking the enemies of the Empire?

edit; a small note. The more we bicker amongst ourselves, the more we play into the hands of honestly worthless pilots like Funk.

Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?

Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#33 - 2015-10-10 04:15:02 UTC
Looks like I'm going to have to hire some mercs.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#34 - 2015-10-10 04:25:32 UTC
Whoa, you have managed to force liar Makoto Priano into verbal diarrhea!

Although I'd like to point only one interesting point today.
Makoto Priano wrote:

... That was performed by Anslo Tetua ... While I'd happily count them among our number ...

That one person is known to be most incompetent loudmouth gallentean, giving threats he never was able to achieve. He likes to spew words without backing up and running in shame from own system when was pushing out, his "corporation" kicked out from multiple alliances for his incompetence and rotten attitude.

On other hand, since Makoto herself is a word-spewing and lie-generating machine, they would certainly make a good pair. A gallentean Tetua and disgraced honorless not-a-Caldari anymore Priano.

I don't think they could actually make any "research", but in circus their performance would be appreciated.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#35 - 2015-10-10 05:58:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
Diana Kim wrote:

That one person is known to be most incompetent loudmouth gallentean, giving threats he never was able to achieve. He likes to spew words without backing up and running in shame from own system when was pushing out, his "corporation" kicked out from multiple alliances for his incompetence and rotten attitude.


They were never kicked from any alliance I was around for and I was around for all but one alliance they were a part of. Respectfully, you don't have your facts straight if your referring to Scope Works. They were booted from Dead Terrorists I believe, but no others unless you consider an alliance disbanning as being kicked. Also, what system are you referring to that they were "run out" of? Huola? Ostingale? Taff?
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#36 - 2015-10-10 15:33:42 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Doubt that'll be the case.


Never underestimate what Pandemic Legion will do when they're bored.

And they're bored.


What will they do..?
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2015-10-10 17:15:50 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Doubt that'll be the case.


Never underestimate what Pandemic Legion will do when they're bored.

And they're bored.


What will they do..?


Wardec you and hotdrop a Titan.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#38 - 2015-10-10 17:44:40 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Doubt that'll be the case.


Never underestimate what Pandemic Legion will do when they're bored.

And they're bored.


What will they do..?


Wardec you and hotdrop a Titan.


Assuming you're ever in a situation where a titan is usable (kind of hard to do that in highsec).

In all honesty, a wardec against an exploration based group such as IKAME, with no real in-space infrastructure or large assets, is ultimately rather pointless. People get to wave their ego boosting phallic status symbols around, but not much actually happens.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim

Yarosara Ruil
#39 - 2015-10-10 18:11:58 UTC
Kalaratiri wrote:
In all honesty, a wardec against an exploration based group such as IKAME, with no real in-space infrastructure or large assets, is ultimately rather pointless. People get to wave their ego boosting phallic status symbols around, but not much actually happens.


You underestimate the malice of the common outlaw. Specially when your "expeditions" are of the public domain.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#40 - 2015-10-10 18:49:58 UTC
Kalaratiri wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
What will they do..?


Wardec you and hotdrop a Titan.


Assuming you're ever in a situation where a titan is usable (kind of hard to do that in highsec).

In all honesty, a wardec against an exploration based group such as IKAME, with no real in-space infrastructure or large assets, is ultimately rather pointless. People get to wave their ego boosting phallic status symbols around, but not much actually happens.


See, this is exactly what I'm talking about: underestimation. PL isn't all about titans and supercapitals. Once you're wardec'd, they're just as likely to use locators to watch your movements and then come hunting you with quick-response teams in subcapitals.

Or to get someone into your corp, wait anywhere from a few months to a year and then come and kill you whenever you put anything even vaguely resembling a significant number of your people on the field - or follow you into w-space, kill anything that might have a probe launcher, and then close the hole on you.

And that's probably still not the half of it, depending on how much you annoy them.