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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#361 - 2015-10-18 14:00:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Jonah, his name is an anti-semite play on words to say "he is a kike." I know what I see there, I will not debate with scum like that.
Wow, just f'king wow.

Nope, it's a reference to a state of euphoria.

And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously?


So you think that this name is not anti-semite then you are as big a scum bag as him, blocked.

EDIT: And Mag too.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#362 - 2015-10-18 14:03:12 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Jonah, his name is an anti-semite play on words to say "he is a kike." I know what I see there, I will not debate with scum like that.
Wow, just f'king wow.

Nope, it's a reference to a state of euphoria.

And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously?


So you think that this name is not anti-semite then you are as big a scum bag as him, blocked.

EDIT: And Mag too.


Wow, words fail me.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#363 - 2015-10-18 14:05:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
I called it. Big smile

Edit: I also call that he'll unblock now and then to read posts, because he just won't be able to help himself.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#364 - 2015-10-18 14:06:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Black Pedro wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Simple, have you tried to do any anti-ganking, I have focussed here on making it so that there mechanics enable actual PvP so that people in the hisec sandbox can actually have an impact on their own sandbox, rather than just take hits with no way to fight back, with my suggestions they can fight back in the Eve way which is blowing up pixels that matter.

You keep missing out that I highlighted freighters as being the reason for the 2 hours suspect timer, its important to do that so we can have actual PvP of a proactive nature, rather than what we have now which is defined as CONCORD whoring.

When you speak to mercs they want people to pay them to hunt people, not to actually guard them, which would cost a whole lot more, can you really expect people to do the same in terms of AG.

At the moment hisec is a themepark for gankers...
So in summary you are suggesting:
- Loss of docking rights for criminals in NPC stations
- CONCORD being toned down so that they have smarter AI and follow you but were not instant-death
- A new flag where if you gank a freighter you are suspect for 2h
- A new flag or status that affects whether people can shoot you in highsec but persists beyond a security status repair to prevent people from repairing their security status easily after ganking
- a mid-slot module that makes freighters immune from destroyers so gankers have to use cruisers or larger to gank them

Do you really think this will balance freighter ganking? Correct me if I am wrong, but aside from special events aren't almost all freighter gankers -10? I know I usually am whenever I gank a freighter. Therefore they are already perma-free-to-shoot so what will more flags do? And does AG have more success stopping Talos or Brutix ganks? Gankers routinely use the Talos these days and while I don't participate enough to have a large sample size, it seems from my experience there is no difference in the success rate of AG whether I am in Catalyst fleets or Talos fleets. And the faction police already force gankers to stay docked up almost all the time and constantly move while in space so why would another NPC doing the same thing change anything?

Locking gankers out of NPC stations, or better yet, encouraging them to voluntarily base out of a new structure I can see making a small difference as it would force criminals to field a structure that is vulnerable. But the lockout is a pretty draconian penalty that will impact lowsec PvPers, and new players just starting out much more than highsec gankers who already use alts for their logistics. But I have a feeling that even if that was implemented, you would still be here claiming that highsec ganking was unbalanced because although you might have a target to retaliate against, the mechanics of the gank itself would still be the same.

Like much combat in Eve, highsec freighter ganking is pretty much pre-determined by the composition of the forces at hand. If the gankers show up with 20 dudes in destroyers to kill a single ship, I don't see how you can, nor why you should, balance the game so that a couple people can stop them.

You are wrong that there is nothing proactive you can do to stop gankers. It is trivial to protect yourself from gankers if you are willing to spend any effort - Red Frog does this everyday and makes over 99.8% of their contracts. I, and every other highsec ganker do it each time we undock our freighters. But that doesn't seem to be enough for you; you seem to want AG to have the ability to stop everyone's fun by protecting every single ship flying through space. Two dudes can already make a single freighter 99%+ safe even from 20 other players. Why should five or ten anti-gankers be able to protect the dozens of AFK freighters passing through Uedama each day?

You are getting an anti-bumping counter in these new T2 destroyers. You should be happy you have a new tool to mess with the gankers. I respectfully suggest that you use that to hurt the gankers in-game instead of continuing to beg CCP to make more changes to the game in your favour. It is a little unseemly.


One can only shoot Talos when they go criminal, as you seem to omit the most basic of comprehension on something so obvious there is no point in even debating with you, so block time.

Yeah right I am going to use a T2 destroyer that is worth ten times the Catalyst that will clear them off the field, if CCP thinks that this will work they are plainly barking mad.

Basically you are all pretty tedious bores that are like an echo chamber, I hope that CCP turn hisec into a themepark so you all whine and de-sub, can I have your stuff by the way...

EDIT: Was in a hurry when I wrote this as I was going out to lunch, what I meant to say was you can only shoot the Talos's when they go criminal in terms of the majority of the gankers that I came across, which was War Akini who would spend his time getting them all back to +5.0, this was a major issue in having fun as an AG player because most of the time you could only get to them when they went criminal. People who have tried to point them when they jump in as a group will also know that lag is often a major issue at that point too, the gankers are very skilled in exploiting the mechanics of Eve and the lag when jumping gate is an important one.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#365 - 2015-10-18 14:09:04 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Jonah, his name is an anti-semite play on words to say "he is a kike." I know what I see there, I will not debate with scum like that.
Wow, just f'king wow.

Nope, it's a reference to a state of euphoria.

And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously?


So you think that this name is not anti-semite then you are as big a scum bag as him, blocked.

EDIT: And Mag too.

I normally don't get in on these but I'll make an exception this once for you drav
Hiasa Kite = Hi as a Kite
In the English language (I gotta assume it's not your first at this point) this is a reference to being under the effects of mind/mood altering drugs (such as mindflood or crash). There we go I even eve'd it up a little for you

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#366 - 2015-10-18 14:12:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Jonah, his name is an anti-semite play on words to say "he is a kike." I know what I see there, I will not debate with scum like that.
Wow, just f'king wow.

Nope, it's a reference to a state of euphoria.

And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously?


So you think that this name is not anti-semite then you are as big a scum bag as him, blocked.

EDIT: And Mag too.

I normally don't get in on these but I'll make an exception this once for you drav
Hiasa Kite = Hi as a Kite
In the English language (I gotta assume it's not your first at this point) this is a reference to being under the effects of mind/mood altering drugs (such as mindflood or crash). There we go I even eve'd it up a little for you


Well I know the expression hi as a kite, yes, but looking at the way the character was set up to look, I think he had other motives.

EDIT: But I am not too up myself to admit that I could be wrong and that he really did set up his character as "Hi as a Kite" just that with the absolute awful use of the word jewing as a way of criticising the making of ISK I have come to the conclusion that a fair number of Eve players are naturally anti-semites.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#367 - 2015-10-18 14:13:05 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Jonah, his name is an anti-semite play on words to say "he is a kike." I know what I see there, I will not debate with scum like that.
Wow, just f'king wow.

Nope, it's a reference to a state of euphoria.

And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously?


So you think that this name is not anti-semite then you are as big a scum bag as him, blocked.

EDIT: And Mag too.

No one can prove you wrong if you clamp your hands over your ears and yell loud enough.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#368 - 2015-10-18 14:24:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiasa Kite
Dracvlad wrote:
Well I know the expression hi as a kite, yes, but looking at the way the character was set up to look, I think he had other motives.

What part of my character's setup indicates other motives?

I'm thinking that you read "Hiasa" more as a phonetic "he as a". The intention was very much "high as a". The spelling of Hiasa makes sense to me as a native English speaker.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Mag's
Azn Empire
#369 - 2015-10-18 14:27:38 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Well I know the expression hi as a kite, yes, but looking at the way the character was set up to look, I think he had other motives.
I ran this through the Drac translation device I made and it came out with the following:

Well I know the expression hi as a kite, yes, but seeing as I made a complete ass of myself and my ego will not allow me to apologise, I'll claim the character's look is also somehow anti Semitic and still claim he had alterer motives.

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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#370 - 2015-10-18 14:35:26 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Yeah right I am going to use a T2 destroyer that is worth ten times the Catalyst that will clear them off the field, if CCP thinks that this will work they are plainly barking mad.

I assume at this point that the new microjump will affect all ships within a certain distance of the T2 destroyer.

Find a freighter caught in bump tackle.

Keep freighter at range of microjump effect, ensuring freighter sits between yourself and bump Mach(s).

Activate module.

Assuming you can aggress, web freighter into warp before bump is reestablished.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Black Pedro
Mine.
#371 - 2015-10-18 15:03:48 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
One can only shoot Talos when they go criminal, as you seem to omit the most basic of comprehension on something so obvious there is no point in even debating with you, so block time.
I am usually a -10 ganker and thus know very well that anyone can shoot me at anytime. That includes when I am flying a Talos on the way to a gank before I acquire a criminal flag. Outlaws (less than -5 security status) are free to shoot in highsec at all times and almost all freighter gankers are outlaws.

Wow. You actually were/are an anti-ganker? No wonder the Code always wins with enemies like this.

Dracvlad wrote:

Yeah right I am going to use a T2 destroyer that is worth ten times the Catalyst that will clear them off the field, if CCP thinks that this will work they are plainly barking mad.

Basically you are all pretty tedious bores that are like an echo chamber, I hope that CCP turn hisec into a themepark so you all whine and de-sub, can I have your stuff by the way...
Well, CCP has repeatedly confirmed that the suicide ganking of frieghters in highsec is intentional and there is no hint CCP is planning to change that any time soon. I think they are more-or-less happy with how highsec is working.

It seems therefore that you are destined to remain unhappy with how this game works if you cannot grasp this. I suggest it is best that you go back to nullsec and leave the AFK freighter pilots to their fate like you said you would weeks ago.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#372 - 2015-10-18 15:57:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
I'd like to say thanks for showing us your true nature Drac. Not only am I and others grateful for you pretending to block us, but it means just like CODE, we win now. Always.

I actually hope you pretend to block each and every ganker on the forum, I'd like to hope they all take part in this win of ours.
Thanks for reading Drac, as I know you are. Blink

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#373 - 2015-10-18 18:23:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Dracvlad wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
So you think that this name is not anti-semite then you are as big a scum bag as him, blocked.

EDIT: And Mag too.

I normally don't get in on these but I'll make an exception this once for you drav
Hiasa Kite = Hi as a Kite
In the English language (I gotta assume it's not your first at this point) this is a reference to being under the effects of mind/mood altering drugs (such as mindflood or crash). There we go I even eve'd it up a little for you


Well I know the expression hi as a kite, yes, but looking at the way the character was set up to look, I think he had other motives.
His character looks like it's shitfaced. You, sir, need to go to Specsavers.

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EDIT: But I am not too up myself to admit that I could be wrong
Apparently you are Roll

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and that he really did set up his character as "Hi as a Kite" just that with the absolute awful use of the word jewing as a way of criticising the making of ISK I have come to the conclusion that a fair number of Eve players are naturally anti-semites.
I don't even..

With the quantity of misinformed, ill-conceived, boastful and otherwise egregious posts from yourself, I, and I suspect many others, have come to the conclusion that you're a fool. A fool who uses entirely too many words to say nothing of any value beyond giving us opportunities to help you look like an even bigger one.

If you had a brain, you'd be dangerous, mostly to yourself.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#374 - 2015-10-18 18:55:14 UTC
Having sent an email to Hiasa Kite and received a reply, I apologise to him personally for misunderstanding what his name entailed and accusing him of something he was not. I have removed my block on him and will engage with him in terms of debate.


I will not apologise for my contempt towards the use of the term 'Jewing' and that Jonah thinks that is acceptable terminology means I have no wish to continue to talk to you, the use of "I don't even" indicates that you have no issues with its offensive use in Eve.

admiral root and mag's have both proved to me that they are not worth engaging with and I have blocked them for that reason.

Enjoy your ganker themepark...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#375 - 2015-10-18 18:56:39 UTC
Baby steps.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#376 - 2015-10-18 18:59:05 UTC
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Yeah right I am going to use a T2 destroyer that is worth ten times the Catalyst that will clear them off the field, if CCP thinks that this will work they are plainly barking mad.

I assume at this point that the new microjump will affect all ships within a certain distance of the T2 destroyer.

Find a freighter caught in bump tackle.

Keep freighter at range of microjump effect, ensuring freighter sits between yourself and bump Mach(s).

Activate module.

Assuming you can aggress, web freighter into warp before bump is reestablished.


I know that as soon as this Destroyer is in the game it will be the number one target for ganking, all it does is give an easy target for the gankers to gather tears on. I would have to have a good look at the tanking abilities of this ship to see if it is workable with logi, otherwise all it will do is give more easy kills.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#377 - 2015-10-18 19:03:43 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
One can only shoot Talos when they go criminal, as you seem to omit the most basic of comprehension on something so obvious there is no point in even debating with you, so block time.
I am usually a -10 ganker and thus know very well that anyone can shoot me at anytime. That includes when I am flying a Talos on the way to a gank before I acquire a criminal flag. Outlaws (less than -5 security status) are free to shoot in highsec at all times and almost all freighter gankers are outlaws.

Wow. You actually were/are an anti-ganker? No wonder the Code always wins with enemies like this.

Dracvlad wrote:

Yeah right I am going to use a T2 destroyer that is worth ten times the Catalyst that will clear them off the field, if CCP thinks that this will work they are plainly barking mad.

Basically you are all pretty tedious bores that are like an echo chamber, I hope that CCP turn hisec into a themepark so you all whine and de-sub, can I have your stuff by the way...
Well, CCP has repeatedly confirmed that the suicide ganking of frieghters in highsec is intentional and there is no hint CCP is planning to change that any time soon. I think they are more-or-less happy with how highsec is working.

It seems therefore that you are destined to remain unhappy with how this game works if you cannot grasp this. I suggest it is best that you go back to nullsec and leave the AFK freighter pilots to their fate like you said you would weeks ago.


I clarified what I meant to say, but was heading out to lunch, not all gankers are -10 or -5, in fact when I was active it was the Bat County Goons who were doing most of the ganks and a lot of the time they were not -5 or -10.

My suggestions are to make it so actual PvP happens, if you want it as an easy gank themepark then continue as is.

I am having fun, got a Navy Apoc and a Gila yesterday.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#378 - 2015-10-18 19:13:19 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
I know that as soon as this Destroyer is in the game it will be the number one target for ganking

I very much doubt that. Given that the ship will almost certainly be operating at range, to make up for the destroyers' typical lack of tank, they have little to fear from your run-of-the-mill gankalyst. Also remember, that this ship can complete its task of breaking bump tackle in a matter of seconds - long before a gank fleet can get a good warp in.

Gankalyst effective range is barely 3km and it wouldn't surprise me to see T2 dessies operating at the 20-30km range. The cost of the hull and fit probably won't be much more than 50mil. My money's on it being less, once the market has settled.

So, cheap gankalysts are a no-no, they just aren't fast enough and lack the range. Maybe some arty thrashers? Again, the window of opportunity is small, so warping in won't work, the arty thrasher will likely have to sit on grid - complete with his killlrights from previous T2 dessy ganks.

I'm thinking that the T2 dessy will actually be a pretty effective, relatively low risk counter to bump tackle.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#379 - 2015-10-18 19:14:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Dracvlad wrote:
I will not apologise for my contempt towards the use of the term 'jewing' and that Jonah thinks that is acceptable terminology means I have no wish to continue to talk to you,
Please provide a quote where I have said that I consider the phrase to be acceptable.

FYI I do not, as long as you're not trying to get me to join in or otherwise force your belief unto me, I couldn't give a monkeys what imaginary friend in the sky you pray to.

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the use of "I don't even" indicates that you have no issues with its offensive use in Eve.
You're seeing things that aren't there; nowhere, ever, have I even implied to the slightest degree that I consider its use to be acceptable.

"I don't even" is a commonly used expression of disbelief; it is often used when you are lost for words, normally in response to a display of outstanding idiocy.

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admiral root and mag's have both proved to me that they are not worth engaging with and I have blocked them for that reason.
How mature of you. Maybe you should stop and think about why you get the reactions that you do before posting in future, 90% of your problems on the forum are self inflicted, and believe me you have problems, especially with credibility.

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Enjoy your ganker themepark...
We will, thanks.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#380 - 2015-10-18 19:18:56 UTC
Am I reading this correctly? He's unblocked the guy he bizarrely thought was being anti-semetic, but he's still angry enough with the guys who pointed out he was wrong to keep them blocked?

To quote the great philosopher, Alana Charen-Tang, anti-ganker logic: it makes even creationists cringe.

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