Crime & Punishment

Its making comments like "Freighters are not solo ships" that make people laugh at you, you cannot see just how stupid that is. The bumping mechanics have made it so that freighters are no longer solo ships, that's more like it. A freighter itself is a solo ship which moves large m3 from one point to another, a solo player can make Dreads and Carriers and you need a freighter to move around that amount of minerals, it is supporting that which is a solo activity, in other words a player action, a production run.

What would be a group use of a freighter, well putting in a station egg, or an upgrade to an IHUB before they were reduced in size, that required fleets, I could go as far as saying that moving a freighter through the Udema or Niarja choke points or even to Jita is not a solo activity at this point. But the freighter is most definitely a solo ship, but the safest way to use it at the moment is with a webber and that's because of player actions, yours...

Rat solo in an Archon, you have gone rather black and white there, ratting in a carrier solo is very much doable and is not silly if you are clever about it and know what you are doing.

Here, let me break this down to you. Actually, this is my daughter typing right now so I want you to get on her level...

So you're flying in this really expensive capital class ship, cool. You can fly the ship however you want, put whatever you want in it, and literally have the freedom of choice to do you. That's great, but what about when you encounter resistance? Ok, so by itself a Freighter is very weak. Sure it can sport a nice tank but it had no real way to protect itself, and this is where *gasp* people come into the picture here.

Most everything in the game can be done "solo" but may require the use of alts and many times comes at extreme risk. The same applies to flying a Freighter in hisec, because hisec is just like any other part of space (Null, Low, Wormhole) in that danger exists with different layers of mechanics and rules.

Freedom of choice is the pinnacle of what this game is built upon. So you can either properly support what you have and are flying or don't. Just don't come crying to CCP or complain here when someone kicks over your sandcastle because highsec should be noob friendly and safe. New players aren't and shouldn't be flying a capital class ship, right? Would you tell a newbro to train right up for a carrier, super, and/or titan? Most likely no because we know that is REALLY terrible advice. So please take your responsibility into your own hands and stop being a baby. We're trying to play a game here, and so should you.

This thread is done. Lock this piece of **** so my head stops hurting.

If you had fun stopping hyperdunks, and the gankers had fun effecting hyperdunks, why should it not be allowed? This is a game after all and is all about fun and conflict, and hyperdunking is such content for both sides. It is good content actually as it forces gankers to risk a fair bit and is easily stopped by any opposition. Why should that be patched out of the game? Like many of the highsec risk nerfs over the years, that just makes the game more boring.

No one remembers that uneventful trip from Jita to Amarr they made 2 years ago. You can believe every one who was hyperdunked, or who escaped an attempted hyperdunk, will not forget that day for as long as they play this game.

I am still not 100% convinced that hyperdunking will be patched out of the game like this though so I will keep my pitchfork in its case for now. There are complications, both in lowsec and highsec for preventing criminals from boarding new ships, that make that change not without cost. Let's see what CCP says before jumping to any conclusions.

No, my daughter is still a small child. I was comparing your mind to that of my daughters, a child. She's remarkably smart, for a child. You are obviously the opposite as an assumed adult.

So are all players entitled to do anything they want without resistance? CCP Falcon has affirmed the fact that nowhere in eve is a safe place, including hisec. Please excuse me while I consider the feelings of casual players that don't want to have to have an alt. This self-entitlement is disgusting. I'm fine with nerfs because as I said earlier, I adapt and find different ways to blow you guys up. So you thinking that I'm upset or crying over this is laughable... I do think it's getting a bit old now but hey this is their game.

I think it would be better if your daughter starts posting for you, its a pretty lame insult by the way.

Its nothing about feelings, again a dim wit emotive reply on your part, neither is it about self-entitlement, its about game balance and whether CCP has decided that they cannot afford to lose the subs of casual players. CODE and the Goons did lots of ganking before hyperdunking was allowed, if this change goes through you will not be able to do it solo if you don't have any mates on line, back to how it was before. And too damn right you should not be crying over this, you are embarrassing yourself in fact by doing so.

Funny. I don't recall this change making it to Tranquility yet or even having an announcement. Your cries of victory are based off of a screenshot I took on SISI. You are also making assumptions that if this is changed that it's to increase casual player retention. Your views aren't in line with what CCP has voiced in the past, so I can only come to the conclusion that you are wrong.

You will have to excuse my insults, surely you can understand that telling people that they are wrong all day on the forums in exhausting.

No the falcon comment was him referring to people dying in hisec, a place that is commonly thought to be safe. The only data analysis I would trust is CCP. It would be interesting for us to be told from a survey why people stop playing.

Gevlon's data is also one dimensional most often. I haven't seen his analysis but unless he was told by each person as to why they unsubbed, it's all speculation. There are plenty of other factors that could go into why they unsub. His numbers could do a good job of convincing someone he's right but in the end the data isn't solid. If this is something that actually causes subs to drop... Well I may have a slightly different opinion. The thing is that eve is a one of a kind mmo where most everyone should have heard some kind of story about. I don't feel sorry for people that put themselves in bad situations in a video game.

The Archon investment in terms of skills is over ten times that needed for a freighter, close to a billion, while the freighter is 90m, the list of skills on the requirements should also give you a clue that the point you made is totally off base, the carrier requires drone and fighter skills for combat, plus RR skills, nothing of the sort needed for the freighter. The only thing I would have however potentially agree with you is that the freighter is the capital of hisec sandbox and its quite telling that it is not a combat ship...

If you only rely on intel channels for carrier ratting then you will lose it, WH's are a threat, log off traps, and also knowing how to operate a carrier by aligning to a safe POS as soon as possible after landing in the anom is all key. I ratted a hell of a lot at one point in a carrier and never lost one...

The toxic people in the channel tend to be bored CODE players from my experience, with the odd person sounding off after being ganked. One incident does stick in my mind however, there was a guy who went in a WH did not save the exit and had his ship blown up by a Sleeper, people in the channel offered him advice like pod yourself etc., and told him he was silly for making that error, I on the other hand went to the system that he jumped into and scanned down the WH and got his pod out. I came across a fair number of helpful people like me so this was an exception, what was interesting was that the TZ of that incident was west coast USA and was around the time that CODE and Goons are most active and the AG are not...

I was under the impression that we were playing Hungry Hippos this week, and that bingo was next weeks activity.

Another page on the pvp-nut book: "People shall play the way I say they should."

Risk, goes both ways.

If you want someone to feel the risk of passing by, risk yourself to get pwned.

As risk goes, that is spot on. The risk of Karma Justice is just beind added.