Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That is correct, because its range bonuses are baked into the hull. Something the hecate lacks. Prop/web catalysts are fairly common and overcome the whole needing 3 mid thing. Since most frigs wont last long against 500-600dps, having no scram is viable.

You do realize other ships have webs too right? A webbed/scrammed hecate vs a frig/dessie/cruiser and even a battlecruiser with an AB is faster than a tackled hecate and can dictate range. So you sticking with void in defense mode will make you an easy kill against someone who scram kites you. Using null and sharpshooter mode will allow you to hit out to scram range, at the cost of your tank bonus. Which allows the scram kiter to kill you faster, but also allows you to apply some damage to the scram kiter to kill him or force him off. Comes down to a dps race at that point.

The hecate can fit an AB/MWD. But that in itself is a drawback since you now dont have room for a cap booster for that cap hungry tank (rep fits anyway). It also makes you highly vulnerable to neuts.. Not to mention the hecate is hilariously slow with an AB (about 550m/s IIRC). A thrasher can do about 750m/s. So assuming both have webs, the thrasher can get out of blaster range and still apply damage, where as you cannot.

Again, this is more about pilot skill to beat a hecate. Which is why its balanced. The svipul on the other hand is completely different and needs a nerf.

Most frigs bug out the second a destroyer lands on them so you aint holding ****, hence why nobody uses a gank cat outside of ganking haulers in highsec.



The two other very high damage destroyers don't though.





Tell me why I would use any blaster specialist destroyer over a Hecate.

I fly them too, most will run and the inability to shut down a MWD will hurt..



I did when we started to compare the Hecate with the other very high damage destroyers.



So none then because the Hecate will bring more damage, tank, utility, fitting room, cap, and speed than all of the other options can. This is why it is not balanced, the other destroyers must make hard choices while the Hecate can bring all of the options in one fit. It is also the reason why ships like the enyo and ishkur have been relegated to near uselessness, the Hecate out preforms everything in its level and below, same with the rest of the t3d lineup.

Do you even know how I would balance them? Or is this just another vague attack on someone pointing out how wildly out of whack these ship are compared to the other ships in its class.

So, for the people in the focus group, is there a consensus that AF should be improved before T3Ds get nerfed into the ground?

108 dps at 11km pretty much goes to show exactly why someone would want to scram kite the hecate

Please keep in mind that there are already two MNRs going into T3D-production each, and the price didn't quite adjust to that rise yet. I'd be all for svipul's optimal bonus shifting to sharpshooter and 5 turrets to fit, but adjusting the price (by upping the production costs) of all because one and a half T3Ds are running amoque sounds shortsighted.

I'm not part of a focus group. But here is what I think needs to happen.

1) AFs should get a role bonus for something like 50% (arbitrary number) resistance to EW effects, put them in line to be Anti- EW Support ships a counter to new Navy Faction EW Frigs, and other T1/T2 EW platforms.

2) T3s need to have mode switch take the cooldown to kick in ie. Speed > Wait > Tank. In stead of Speed > Tank > wait. Also they need to have their fitting values looked at so people need to make a concrete choice about having speed, tank, or gank.

Hecate and Jackdaw are fairly well balanced. 10mn AB Confessor is fairly strong but relies on cap for everything it does (armor buffer builds are pretty weak IMO). Svipul is just way too strong. Not just 10mn Svipuls but also mwd fits just because base speed (speed while scrammed) on prop mode is still faster than frigates so it will still dictate range even in most of those scenarios.

The prop mode for the Svipul and Confessor need to changed to a % increase to speed provided by AB or MWD, and not an increase to the base speed. In autocannon fits I practically never switch to sharpshooter mode or defensive mode. The base speed increase on prop mode helps you mitigate more damage when fighting vs cruisers than defensive mode, and allows for more transversal/range dictation for damage application when fighter vs things smaller than cruisers than sharpshooter mode.

Well balanced in regards to how op the svipul is yes, but not in regards to the other ships out there. Its the best one in terms of balance but while it is by far the worst t3d it isnt a bad ship.