Player Features and Ideas Discussion

While I do agree with your statement, I feel assault frigates need a little "something" to give them an edge. They ought to be different, "specialised", yes? Well then ... what exactly are they specialised in? I always assumed they were beefier, damage dealing versions of the vanilla frigs; yet as it stands, they this role is completely overshadowed by T3 destroyers because T3Ds have taken over their sigradius bonus, and move at roughly the same speeds as well.

What I'm trying to get at, is that you may want to review their specialisation by giving them a little velocity buff as to ensure there's still a place for them. Different is one thing, no discussion there. But I also want better. Because I paid good ISK for it. Does that make sense to you?

The old 50% MWD sigradius reduction is no longer a selling point as T3Ds have it too. So... dare I suggest an 80% MWD sigradius reduction? A plain speed buff perhaps?

"Why speed" you ask? Well, because that would differentiate them from Tech III destroyers. Destroyers can retain their role as frigblapping machines with or without this modification; but I could once again undock an assault frig and feel like I've made a meaningful choice -- in this case, speed over gank/tank.

Your T1 frig would still be 'different' ; case in fact, a Rifter can fit scram/web/MWD whereas a Wolf only has 2 mids. It is by definition not a tackler but fleet DPS support.

Sorry for my ignorance but what is a "dessay" and why should it cost more than a pirate cruiser? And while we are at it, can we reduce the amount of turrets a destroyer has?

An eight turret Catalyst is too stronk, should be 0.1 or 0.009 turrets, so they can't hurt the poor newbies in the lows and stuff. Better have all destroyers have a weapon damage penalty of 99.991% and rename them to pokemons instead - I poketh thee.

Sorry, I don't speak colloquial. I hear it alot but this is not what they tought us in school. Haven't you ever noticed that I very rarely use acronyms at all?
Since this forum is open to read for all mankind to see I abstain from using acronyms which people from other backgrouds maybe not be familiar with as we are.

I still disagree that a large frigate should cost more than a pirate faction ship. State of the art maybe but they really shine in unknown space where you have to make more tactical decisions and don't have a market hub to dock and buy stuff that isn't there.
Maybe it is difficult to comprehend for people with a narrow viewfield but outside of lowsec there are areas of New Eden that are just out of reach of anything and all you have there is what you bring.

Unless you live in Syndicate where you can dock in most systems, everyone elses station doesn't allow for "outsiders" to dock and trade.
I said many, many times in the last decade that they digging their own grave but they wouldn't listen. Now they are begging CCP to clean up the mess they created.

There needs to be a general shift in a lot of places but when I call for nerfs, people start to look funny. Maybe someday, someone finds a ways to nerf people.
Until then we need to put a secret service detail on the middle school's playground.

So pokemons and frigate online it is.

I agree. As a disclaimer, i do not use oversized AB t3ds. That being said, i do use oversized AB BCs as it actually allows BCs to have some form of range control to smaller ships. A 10mn AB BC is laughable (maybe 500m/s if you are lucky), where as a 100mn AB is around 800-1k m/s. Sacrifices are made and the ships still turn like a planet, but i have range control to dunk smaller ships like t3ds. 10mn t3ds on their own arent that hard to deal with either. Especially when you have neuts.

The issue specifically with t3ds is that their prop mode gives them a huge agility bonus and combined with links (which gives agility/speed bonuses) puts them over the top. Its not an oversized prop issue, its a prop mode bonus + links issue.

T3Ds were a stupid idea for a ship class and are like this more or less across the board: they take a destroyer hull and pack HAC-like stats onto it. It's HACs all over again-- pay enough ISK and you can literally cheat the game's original set of power progression tradeoffs by gaining more stats without any commensurate decrease in agility, scan res, signature size, or damage application.

EVE was a much better game when increasing your on-paper stats (DPS, tank, etc) required actual sacrifices in other, non-wallet areas. Now it's just a game of, "how much money can I throw at these problems to make them go away?" While that approach may have been somewhat viable in the distant past, when only a small minority of players could afford to cheat the system (in terms of both ISK and skillpoints), the fact that these T2 and T3 platforms are now almost universally attainable has ruined the PvP meta completely. It's literally worse than the nano-HAC era. Sure, pre-nerf nano-HACs were a gigantic pain to deal with, but at least only the richest BoB elite PvPers actually flew them. Now you cruise through nullsec and 95% of the combat ships you see are Svipuls. They can run from anything they don't want to fight, they can fight almost anything in the game, and they're super oppressive to new players. It's absurd.