EVE General Discussion

It's one of the few things right with EVE, actually.

You're just playing the wrong game. Your refusal to admit it is what's wrong with you, among other things.

Hey genius... if Low and Null numbers went up, and High-Sec numbers tanked as Fozzie said in the two part interview in May... wouldn't it be a true statement that all the losses of players were from High-Sec? On a macro scale, you can't differentiate between losses/gains in the individual level, only final numbers.

And nothing I said was about what they should or shouldn't do with High Sec. At this point I couldn't care less. So Dishonesty Main (You) comes and puts words in my mouth.

You also keep ignoring what I do in this game even though it has been stated over and over. My main does High-Sec war decs and my alts are all in a WH making blue isk. But you keep ignoring that and lumping me in with a group that you feel is inferior to yours.

Just for fun, go back and re-read your own post from 2 pages back. About how CCP has only changed this game for the benefit of high-sec PVE players and how that is killing the game... Look at the word modifiers you used. The only thing dishonest around here is the value you place on your own opinions.

Pretty sure that player freedom is the only reason this game exists.

And of course, what every carebear really wants. The generic, same old same old space game, right? Just dumb the game down until it's indistinguishable from WoW in space.

They have those already, go play them instead. EVE is for people who like player freedom, choices and consequences.

Where in that sentence is there any reference to carebear?

Where do you get this crap?

You have a one track mind, some perverse fear of people playing this game for its PVE.

Show us on the Raven where the Carebear player touched you...

Dear CCP,

you got yourself some very special folks into your fold. I will grant you that. But if you want more money they better not be allowed to "interact" with me or anyone else in their right minds.

Thanks a bunch

Screw it, I'll have a go anyway despite really not being all that invested in highsec personally.

Highsec should have unique gameplay that provides reasons for people to play there, just the same as lowsec, nullsec and WHs have unique gameplay. Also, just as both pvpers and pve'ers play in lowsec, nullsec and WHs, there should be viable options for both playstyles in highsec as well.

In my view, there doesn't have to be a design philosophy that highsec is the starter area and players then progress to lowsec, null and/or WHs as they gain experience. Highsec should just as much provide end game opportunities for players and be a viable place to play for someone's entire time in the game.

In terms of unique gameplay via mechanics, currently:

WHs: no local, sleepers, no stations (Thera aside)
Nullsec: sovereignty, high-grade ores in belts, system upgrades, high rated DED sites, capitals, moon mining
Lowsec: FW, level 5 missions, security tag ratting, besieged covert research facilities, moon mining (<0.4), capitals
Highsec: ganking, wardecs, burner missions

While highsec has a much higher proportion of mission agents than lowsec and npc nullsec; there currently isn't really a lot of unique gameplay resulting from the mechanics of the game.

The uniqueness comes more through interaction between players. The mechanics don't really provide much risk, yet I'm strongly of the view that rewards should be risk based, at least from the game design (stupid players will always do stupid things and smart players will always capitalize on that, as it should be).

so, some ideas that would try to increase the uniqueness of highsec:

Incursions
Sansha really has no logical reason to be so pissed with a lot of capsuleers, especially out in sov null. Why is he invading sov systems when the real enemy should be the seats of power of the empires, in highsec?

• Remove incursions from nullsec and lowsec and make them highsec only.
• Make them more widespread, disrupting more highsec activity and providing opportunity for more players to get involved.
• Add a system effect to the incursion that interferes with CONCORD's intel, so that CONCORD is delayed.

Net effect. Highsec gains +1 unique playstyle that provides for high income. The high income is balanced by higher risk from other players, but the players farming the income can affect that level of risk by how they farm the sites. Sansha rats would obviously potentially target all players operating in an incursion area, so gankers would also face higher risk to get the blingy kill, but could at least do so where now they virtually cant.

High grade ores
Move them out of anomalies and into signatures and include more difficult rats in those sites. For the higher reward they provide, they should provide higher risk than they currently do, so the more difficult lowsec/nullsec rats would require either more players to assist in killing them, or better prepared players to solo them.

Mining is about the most mind numbing thing I can possibly think to do in Eve, so in the absence of completely revising mining, add some additional gameplay into finding the belts and then mining them.

Net effect. Not really something unique, just more game provided risk for the added reward and some additional safety in terms of providing sites not instantly warpable without scanning them (gankers and wardeccers would have no problem doing so).

Highsec-Highsec wormholes (A641)
Increase the abundance of A641 wormholes to provide an alternative to gate travel. Wardeccers could use them, gank fleets could use them, haulers could use them. I don't know how much they are used now, but it seems not much. Whether that's because there are only 50 odd of them, or because most people in highsec that are not explorers aren't really interested in scanning sigs down, I'm not sure. But for all the whinging and whining that goes on about how risky it is to haul stuff (it isn't if you are smart about it), this would provide alternatives that prepared players could use, while also providing more options for play for gankers/wardeccers.

In terms of new ideas:

From everything CCP has said over the last couple of years, rich gaming experiences are the things that keep people in the game long term. Lots of people enjoy their solo play and great for them, but on the whole, group play, being part of something bigger, social activities, etc. are the things that make Eve unique.

So if any new play is introduced into highsec, then ideally it should promote group play as much as possible.

Multiplayer combat sites/mission sites
The only thing I can think of is the introduction of escalations in sites in highsec, where the basic site can be completed by 1 person as they are now and they provide mediocre rewards, but they contain a 2-key lock principle (two keys in separate locks having to be turned at the same time to open the escalation), that would provide benefits to group play.

The simplest way would be to have 2 structures in the boss room that both need to be destroyed within a certain timeframe of each other, that time would be too short for one person to kill one structure, then kill the next. They would be positioned far enough apart that it wouldn't be possible to shoot both at the same time (could even be in different rooms like the room arrangement in high rated DED sites) and be difficult like 8/10 - 10/10 DED sites so that it's a real pain in the arse to try to do solo or even with 2 people.

Shooting structures is boring, but at least with other people, it is a lot better. So adding a multiplayer aspect to combat/mission sites that potentially increases reward is really the only new thing I could think to add to HS.

Other then that, remove faction police and make players free-for-all at -2.0. Don't change wardecs, they are fine in my view.

For someone who preaches and lectures others to stop playing a game they don't like you certainly have a lot of "suggestions" and "demands" for things to change.

Hypocritical much?

If highsec was originally designed to help newer players, can we code it in the game that once a player reach sufficiently high SP, (say 1 million) they get automatically transferred to lowsec and cannot come back?

CCP also can shrink highsec and 'upgrade' majority of high highsec into lowsec. Once this is done, they can also nerf any type of pvp activity in the new kiddie pool highsec since the area is now purely designed for new players.

Naturally since the highsec residence only have max 1 million SP, they can remove all Level 3 and 4 missions to ensure these new highsec residence can complete the available PVE activities.

I am not sure what you mean. Are you saying if CCP adopt the above model, we will have 39.9 million subscribers in highsec? And they all flying around with less than 1 million SP?