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Need advice with solo PVP

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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#101 - 2015-10-05 18:07:02 UTC
@Amanda Guido how old are you?

The Tears Must Flow

Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2015-10-05 18:08:43 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
@Amanda Guido how old are you?


Old enough to back up my trash talk. If someone challenges you to prove something, but then backs down. That says it all. My offer still stands.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#103 - 2015-10-05 18:12:23 UTC
whatever dude, i asked you many times to meet me somewhere.

I've got my pieces right now, you can bring whatever artillery you need.
Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2015-10-05 18:13:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Amanda Guido
Divine Entervention wrote:
whatever dude, i asked you many times to meet me somewhere.

I've got my pieces right now, you can bring whatever artillery you need.


And I told you many times faction or t1 frigate in Villore. You kept spouting off crap about "come to your crib, your family is the police" Again and again after I told you, "meet me in Villore." You kept saying the same thing over because you did not really want to fight me, I think its obvious why.
Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2015-10-05 18:22:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Amanda Guido
Portmanteau, the next toon who wants to post on my forums about how bad I am and turn down a 1v1. After telling me to meet him, right here on this forum. You guys want to sound all tough on the forum, but NONE of you meet my offer.
Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#106 - 2015-10-05 18:31:21 UTC
https://hermathness.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/139347276894.gif

Get over yourself pal, nobody cares if you and your rude/arrogant/know nothing attitude are upset that we had the temerity to suggest you might be doing it wrong.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#107 - 2015-10-05 18:33:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Man this guy sure is super mad he's bad at the game and loses all of his fights due to his being terrible at eve and everything related to it.

I'd recommend he go outside and talk to a counselor for it but he'd probably manage to knock himself out with the doorknob and then close the door on his own legs because he's obviously so ineffective at things that require coordination and basic thought.
Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#108 - 2015-10-05 18:35:55 UTC
Amanda Guido wrote:
Max Jaeger wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:
Need advice with solo PVP
- This is your thread title.

Amanda Guido wrote:
So I have been playing EVE since 2003 and like to think I have a pretty good grasp on pvp.
- This is your opening statement.

Yet you haven't been playing EVE since 2003 (tell me I'm wrong) and you respond to advice (which you asked for) by telling everyone that you know better.

This thread deserves no further response. Save your time guys. As for the OP - go on and fly what you like where you like and how you like, plenty of PvP targets out there. If you really do end up needing advice: a) don't start off with a lie and b) take the advice if you find it helpful and skip it if you don't, just be respectful to those who spend their time trying to help you.

PS: There is nothing wrong with battleships, you are just using them wrong.


I am telling you, you are wrong, want to see a limited API? When you see how old my account is I want an apology on this forum.

My fit is fine, consider my last hyperion losses. I have everything fit that has been suggested. Does not make a bit of difference. You are a big fat target flying around in a huge brick. People will just blob u and fit hard counters.

Tried neuting the interceptor, he called in a second interceptor. Tried MJD they met me at the gate before I could land.

Every tactic I used they had a counter for, we went gate to gate until they finally had enough guys to take me out.

Tried drones, they shot them down.


Looking at your last hyperion loss, it shows me you were taken down by a well prepared gang. Also, exodus uses links. A curse is going to ruin anyones day, especially a cap dependent battleship. You should have put the neut on the curse to hopefully keep him struggling with his own cap so to get his TDs and neuts off you. Shooting at an inty with null is also a bad idea.

You tanked 27k which is pretty poor for a CB hyperion. Tells me they neuted you out pretty quickly. Also.. um, wheres your cap booster charges? None in your heavy CB and none in your cargo, and you only tanked 27k damage, which means you couldnt have used them all. Did.. did you forget to put charges in your cargo? Thats not the ships fault you know..

Large turrets (especially BS turrets) REQUIRE transversal to apply to small targets. The small target needs to be tackled and held and then you need to move away/toward to line up the shot. That is the only way large guns will track a small ship effectively. A hyperion with no prop but MJD cannot get the speed to outpace a frig to line up the shot. Nor does it have the sig resolution to hit an orbiting linked interceptor at 24km with null. Since null hurts your tracking even more.

In EVE, every fit has a counter. You came across your counter and decided to fight it. Not the ships choice, but yours. If you could not identify this gang as a counter to your fit, that is where you need to educate yourself to avoid it in the future. Some things cannot be countered in solo pvp. You need to learn to identify this early to avoid unnecessary losses.
Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2015-10-05 18:45:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Amanda Guido
Divine Entervention wrote:
Man this guy sure is super mad he's bad at the game and loses all of his fights due to his being terrible at eve and everything related to it.

I'd recommend he go outside and talk to a counselor for it but he'd probably manage to knock himself out with the doorknob and then close the door on his own legs because he's obviously so ineffective at things that require coordination and basic thought.


Again, if I am so bad, why did you decline the 1v1? I would think that would be an easy kill mail for you! I even agreed to do all the work and come to you!
Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2015-10-05 18:48:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Amanda Guido
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:
Max Jaeger wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:
Need advice with solo PVP
- This is your thread title.

Amanda Guido wrote:
So I have been playing EVE since 2003 and like to think I have a pretty good grasp on pvp.
- This is your opening statement.

Yet you haven't been playing EVE since 2003 (tell me I'm wrong) and you respond to advice (which you asked for) by telling everyone that you know better.

This thread deserves no further response. Save your time guys. As for the OP - go on and fly what you like where you like and how you like, plenty of PvP targets out there. If you really do end up needing advice: a) don't start off with a lie and b) take the advice if you find it helpful and skip it if you don't, just be respectful to those who spend their time trying to help you.

PS: There is nothing wrong with battleships, you are just using them wrong.


I am telling you, you are wrong, want to see a limited API? When you see how old my account is I want an apology on this forum.

My fit is fine, consider my last hyperion losses. I have everything fit that has been suggested. Does not make a bit of difference. You are a big fat target flying around in a huge brick. People will just blob u and fit hard counters.

Tried neuting the interceptor, he called in a second interceptor. Tried MJD they met me at the gate before I could land.

Every tactic I used they had a counter for, we went gate to gate until they finally had enough guys to take me out.

Tried drones, they shot them down.


Looking at your last hyperion loss, it shows me you were taken down by a well prepared gang. Also, exodus uses links. A curse is going to ruin anyones day, especially a cap dependent battleship. You should have put the neut on the curse to hopefully keep him struggling with his own cap so to get his TDs and neuts off you. Shooting at an inty with null is also a bad idea.

You tanked 27k which is pretty poor for a CB hyperion. Tells me they neuted you out pretty quickly. Also.. um, wheres your cap booster charges? None in your heavy CB and none in your cargo, and you only tanked 27k damage, which means you couldnt have used them all. Did.. did you forget to put charges in your cargo? Thats not the ships fault you know..

Large turrets (especially BS turrets) REQUIRE transversal to apply to small targets. The small target needs to be tackled and held and then you need to move away/toward to line up the shot. That is the only way large guns will track a small ship effectively. A hyperion with no prop but MJD cannot get the speed to outpace a frig to line up the shot. Nor does it have the sig resolution to hit an orbiting linked interceptor at 24km with null. Since null hurts your tracking even more.

In EVE, every fit has a counter. You came across your counter and decided to fight it. Not the ships choice, but yours. If you could not identify this gang as a counter to your fit, that is where you need to educate yourself to avoid it in the future. Some things cannot be countered in solo pvp. You need to learn to identify this early to avoid unnecessary losses.


You guys act like I engaged that full fleet by myself. I was attacked by the interceptor in a plex. I neuted him sent out my drones. He killed the drones. I MJD out and warped to gate. He was already at the gate because of my slow ass warp speed. When I landed there was him and an oracle. I could not jump because I was under count.

He then disrupted me again. I neuted and MJD out. Now a typhoon shows up. I went back to gate could not jump, they were there, had me pointed. This continued again and again till everyone there was present. If I jumped through they had someone there waiting to grab me.

I had no charges by the time I was killed because I used them all in the fight! I could not tank anymore by the end, because I was neuted by the curse.

Like I said, I was ****** because of my poor warp speed, poor mobility and poor ability to kill anything smaller then a cruiser
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#111 - 2015-10-05 19:34:42 UTC
Amanda Guido wrote:
You guys act like I engaged that full fleet by myself. I was attacked by the interceptor in a plex. I neuted him sent out my drones. He killed the drones. I MJD out and warped to gate. He was already at the gate because of my slow ass warp speed. When I landed there was him and an oracle. I could not jump because I was under count.

He then disrupted me again. I neuted and MJD out. Now a typhoon shows up. I went back to gate could not jump, they were there, had me pointed. This continued again and again till everyone there was present. If I jumped through they had someone there waiting to grab me.

I had no charges by the time I was killed because I used them all in the fight! I could not tank anymore by the end, because I was neuted by the curse.

Like I said, I was ****** because of my poor warp speed, poor mobility and poor ability to kill anything smaller then a cruiser

If it's the first Hyperion loss you are referring to, I assume you were trying to get back to Villore from Heydieles since you were killed in OMS.

If that's the case, warping straight to the OMS gate is always going to be a problem for a big slow ship. The gate is so far off grid from anything else in system that you are warping blind if you just warp direct (which it sounds like you did as you still had a weapons timer).

It's much safer to warp to an off grid tactical or at the very least, an on grid perch so you can see what is happening on the gate.

That of course doesn't tell you about the OMS side, but that gate has a long history of fights on it.

An alternative if you want to get out to highsec and not log off safely in system (after waiting out aggression timer) is to go through Indregulle -> Murethand -> Mesybier (highsec).

That's only two further jumps back to Villore from there and in highsec. The Indregulle gate is almost never a problem to get through and same into Murethand. If they work out what you are doing then an interceptor will catch you, but it's generally a safer alternative if you have no way of escaping a group on a gate.

Might or might not be helpful.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#112 - 2015-10-05 19:44:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
That option of going Indregulle -> Murethand -> Mesybier is not a bad option if you are determined to keep flying these types of ships, even for normal roaming.

If you are starting from Villore, then just go Pemene -> Mesybier.

From Mesybier you can go to Orvolle and back into lowsec at Oulley, giving you quick access to Aubernall, Eugales, Moclinamaud, Renarelle, Vlillirier, etc. which are better systems to roam in that sort of ship.

You'll still end up losing more fights than you win just because of the choice of ship and the way it limits the types of engagements people will be prepared to engage you in (ie. Heavily in their advantage even before the fight starts), but you are more likely to find people willing to take more of a risk.

But really, the best option would be put a billion ISK into T3Ds or faction frigates and go lose a heap while winning just as much.

You'll end up with way more fights and in many of them you'll be no worse than even footing going into it. These big ships will just continue to lose when you are solo and I'm sure that can't be fun to sink so much ISK (and I assume you don't have means to earn ISK in game so are using PLEX to fund your pvp).
Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#113 - 2015-10-05 19:48:33 UTC
Amanda Guido wrote:


You guys act like I engaged that full fleet by myself. I was attacked by the interceptor in a plex. I neuted him sent out my drones. He killed the drones. I MJD out and warped to gate. He was already at the gate because of my slow ass warp speed. When I landed there was him and an oracle. I could not jump because I was under count.

He then disrupted me again. I neuted and MJD out. Now a typhoon shows up. I went back to gate could not jump, they were there, had me pointed. This continued again and again till everyone there was present. If I jumped through they had someone there waiting to grab me.

I had no charges by the time I was killed because I used them all in the fight! I could not tank anymore by the end, because I was neuted by the curse.

Like I said, I was ****** because of my poor warp speed, poor mobility and poor ability to kill anything smaller then a cruiser


Still doesnt sound right. All the damage you tanked between these guys should have shownup in the KM. So if you used up all your charges, we should see well over 27k damage tanked. Unless this was going on for hours.

You also made the mistake of warping to a gate blind. If youre roaming an area frequently, setup perches a few hundred km from gate to scout the area first. I solo roam in BS quite frequently, i do fine avoiding most of these issues. I also know who I can and cant engage and do my best to avoid those that counter me. Warping with aggression timer to 0 on a gate is also not the wisest thing.

I also know one of the guys who killed you, so maybe he can shed some light on what happened without angry bias getting in the way.
Marsha Mallow
#114 - 2015-10-05 21:33:25 UTC
OK so I read this person raving in another topic first woops

Amanda Guido wrote:
My other character was sold, Hellen Kurvora, for this character. My very first character Helena Vexar, is even older. I am not new, I do know how to fit, I do know the game mechanics.

Helena Vexa has 142 losses to 57 kills. Hellen Kurvora 218 losses to 111 kills. Welcome to everybody's watchlist btw.

Amanda Guido wrote:
When you form a fleet with a guy and he sees that you are flying a BS and says "why are you pvping in a BS, they are terrible in pvp", you know damn well there is an issue and it is not me.

Straight

Amanda Guido wrote:
Trust me, I know the mechanics of pvp. frig verse larger turret boat is an easy win.

Straight

Amanda Guido wrote:
F**king idiots

P

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#115 - 2015-10-05 21:38:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Amanda Guido
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:


You guys act like I engaged that full fleet by myself. I was attacked by the interceptor in a plex. I neuted him sent out my drones. He killed the drones. I MJD out and warped to gate. He was already at the gate because of my slow ass warp speed. When I landed there was him and an oracle. I could not jump because I was under count.

He then disrupted me again. I neuted and MJD out. Now a typhoon shows up. I went back to gate could not jump, they were there, had me pointed. This continued again and again till everyone there was present. If I jumped through they had someone there waiting to grab me.

I had no charges by the time I was killed because I used them all in the fight! I could not tank anymore by the end, because I was neuted by the curse.

Like I said, I was ****** because of my poor warp speed, poor mobility and poor ability to kill anything smaller then a cruiser


Still doesnt sound right. All the damage you tanked between these guys should have shownup in the KM. So if you used up all your charges, we should see well over 27k damage tanked. Unless this was going on for hours.

You also made the mistake of warping to a gate blind. If youre roaming an area frequently, setup perches a few hundred km from gate to scout the area first. I solo roam in BS quite frequently, i do fine avoiding most of these issues. I also know who I can and cant engage and do my best to avoid those that counter me. Warping with aggression timer to 0 on a gate is also not the wisest thing.

I also know one of the guys who killed you, so maybe he can shed some light on what happened without angry bias getting in the way.


One more time... There was a curse in the fight, meaning he neuted me to sh*t, meaning even with my cap boosters (which lasted all of 1 min with a curses neuts) I was capped out. Thus, you only see 27k tank.
Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#116 - 2015-10-05 21:39:49 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:
You guys act like I engaged that full fleet by myself. I was attacked by the interceptor in a plex. I neuted him sent out my drones. He killed the drones. I MJD out and warped to gate. He was already at the gate because of my slow ass warp speed. When I landed there was him and an oracle. I could not jump because I was under count.

He then disrupted me again. I neuted and MJD out. Now a typhoon shows up. I went back to gate could not jump, they were there, had me pointed. This continued again and again till everyone there was present. If I jumped through they had someone there waiting to grab me.

I had no charges by the time I was killed because I used them all in the fight! I could not tank anymore by the end, because I was neuted by the curse.

Like I said, I was ****** because of my poor warp speed, poor mobility and poor ability to kill anything smaller then a cruiser

If it's the first Hyperion loss you are referring to, I assume you were trying to get back to Villore from Heydieles since you were killed in OMS.

If that's the case, warping straight to the OMS gate is always going to be a problem for a big slow ship. The gate is so far off grid from anything else in system that you are warping blind if you just warp direct (which it sounds like you did as you still had a weapons timer).

It's much safer to warp to an off grid tactical or at the very least, an on grid perch so you can see what is happening on the gate.

That of course doesn't tell you about the OMS side, but that gate has a long history of fights on it.

An alternative if you want to get out to highsec and not log off safely in system (after waiting out aggression timer) is to go through Indregulle -> Murethand -> Mesybier (highsec).

That's only two further jumps back to Villore from there and in highsec. The Indregulle gate is almost never a problem to get through and same into Murethand. If they work out what you are doing then an interceptor will catch you, but it's generally a safer alternative if you have no way of escaping a group on a gate.

Might or might not be helpful.


Ya, in retrospect, I should have warped to a safe rather then the gate, but I was aligned and he was burning toward me fast
Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#117 - 2015-10-05 21:43:12 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
That option of going Indregulle -> Murethand -> Mesybier is not a bad option if you are determined to keep flying these types of ships, even for normal roaming.

If you are starting from Villore, then just go Pemene -> Mesybier.

From Mesybier you can go to Orvolle and back into lowsec at Oulley, giving you quick access to Aubernall, Eugales, Moclinamaud, Renarelle, Vlillirier, etc. which are better systems to roam in that sort of ship.

You'll still end up losing more fights than you win just because of the choice of ship and the way it limits the types of engagements people will be prepared to engage you in (ie. Heavily in their advantage even before the fight starts), but you are more likely to find people willing to take more of a risk.

But really, the best option would be put a billion ISK into T3Ds or faction frigates and go lose a heap while winning just as much.

You'll end up with way more fights and in many of them you'll be no worse than even footing going into it. These big ships will just continue to lose when you are solo and I'm sure that can't be fun to sink so much ISK (and I assume you don't have means to earn ISK in game so are using PLEX to fund your pvp).


You are right, it is not fun and I am using plex. I make isk in game fw plexing, but lately I have been trying to test fits in BS. Just is not working out. You are right on point. I guess I just need to ship down, but that speaks volumes about my original topic. BS have a very limited role and need work.
Paranoid Loyd
#118 - 2015-10-05 21:43:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Amanda Guido wrote:
Ya, in retrospect, I should have warped to a safe rather then the gate, but I was aligned and he was burning toward me fast
So then you don't know the mechanics like you claim do you? That is a rookie mistake. Don't come here all high and mighty claiming you know the mechanics when you clearly don't.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#119 - 2015-10-05 21:44:49 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:
Ya, in retrospect, I should have warped to a safe rather then the gate, but I was aligned and he was burning toward me fast
So then you don't know the mechanics like you claim do you? That is a rookie mistake. Don't come here all high and mighty claiming you know the mechanics when you clearly don't.


LOL what is the rookie mistake u are referring to? So, because I made an error in the heat of a fight, I am a rookie? You don't make errors, and nobody else here makes errors eh? Ya ok.
Paranoid Loyd
#120 - 2015-10-05 21:49:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Amanda Guido wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:
Ya, in retrospect, I should have warped to a safe rather then the gate, but I was aligned and he was burning toward me fast
So then you don't know the mechanics like you claim do you? That is a rookie mistake. Don't come here all high and mighty claiming you know the mechanics when you clearly don't.


LOL what is the rookie mistake u are referring to? So, because I made an error in the heat of a fight, I am a rookie? You don't make errors, and nobody else here makes errors eh? Ya ok.

I make plenty of errors, what I don't do is go to the forums and make claims that are not true and then argue with people who point them out. And yes, warping to a gate in a bil isk BS with a weapons timer is a rookie mistake.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!