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A Sermon against the practice of self-flagellation
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Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2015-10-02 01:11:57 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
just........ wow.... Amarr is messed up.

It is written (by me),
My ancestors became enslaved by a bunch of perverts...... but how? Were they always this way? No wonder the Jovians made short work of you.
Amen.


To be honest, a lot of religions have practices that result in ecstatic visions caused by drugs. In this case, endorphines.


I can attest to the fact that plants with mind-altering properties are used in the spirit quest rituals of the Sebiestor tribe.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#22 - 2015-10-02 02:04:47 UTC
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
Empress (Bless her Ascended Soul), Miss Valate is not one of the judges. Over... my... dead.. body!


Quite right. Somehow, I completely misidentified the original poster. My apologies.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#23 - 2015-10-02 02:07:56 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
I can attest to the fact that plants with mind-altering properties are used in the spirit quest rituals of the Sebiestor tribe.


Note the difference between spiritual and recreational use. Hordenine also has a number of actual medicinal uses, as well.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2015-10-02 02:23:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Arrendis wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
I can attest to the fact that plants with mind-altering properties are used in the spirit quest rituals of the Sebiestor tribe.


Note the difference between spiritual and recreational use. Hordenine also has a number of actual medicinal uses, as well.


All poison is medicine with the right dosage.

Besides, the original statement was that 'a lot of religions have practices that result in ecstatic visions caused by drugs'. This is true in our case, though it's not always ecstatic.

Half the time it's actually pretty damn scary and/or depressing.

My Voluval ritual had me hallucinating about these large black birds that the shaman identified as Corovids. Never seen a Corovid, didn't even know there are carrion birds of that size living on top of misty mountains, but it's pretty terrifying and also, thinking about it again, quite melancholic.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Goldfinch
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2015-10-02 05:13:48 UTC

Truly shocking that adults have fetishes.

Perhaps this sort of reaction isn't all that surprising when seeing the myriad children in thread who have to label anything they don't understand as a fetish.



To Amarr's credit.. as prudes, at least we are self aware.

\J/

veiled and bound

my origin story (on eve-backstage)
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#26 - 2015-10-02 05:37:59 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
Empress (Bless her Ascended Soul), Miss Valate is not one of the judges. Over... my... dead.. body!


Quite right. Somehow, I completely misidentified the original poster. My apologies.


All Amarr look the same.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#27 - 2015-10-02 07:58:01 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:
For flagellants, self-flagellation is not a test of faith. It is a form of devotion. Self-flagellation is thus akin to nightly prayers or going to church.


Maybe try meditation? Get a nice cup of tea, sit cross-legged at the peak of a mountain and let the winds flay the weakness from you.


That sounds a lot less... medieval to me...
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#28 - 2015-10-02 14:09:45 UTC
Shaddam Daphiti wrote:
Your pride has led you to err here.

You fail to draw distinction between self flagellation for correction and mastery of the flesh and PUBLIC self flagellation, which is vanity and boastfulness.


No, that distinction is not important.

You see, self-flagellation, is the same as attempting to tickle yourself. It can't be done, because the brain recognises it as being done by you. A self-flagellator will always hold back, because their brain tells them "ouch, that hurt, stop it".

Whereas, when the lasher and the lashed are two different people, then the lasher is not subject to the lashed's restrictions on maximum effort used in the lashing.

Thusly, self-flagellation would only allow mastering of the flesh to the limit that the self-flagellator is willing to inflict on themselves, their brain stops them.

And true mastery of the flesh, if such a concept does indeed exist, is only possible when someone is pushed beyond their brain's limits, by an external force.

So, I disagree with your statement.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#29 - 2015-10-02 15:37:13 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
You see, self-flagellation, is the same as attempting to tickle yourself. It can't be done, because the brain recognises it as being done by you. A self-flagellator will always hold back, because their brain tells them "ouch, that hurt, stop it".


Never met anyone with a fair amount of self-loathing, I take it?
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#30 - 2015-10-02 15:47:32 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:
You see, self-flagellation, is the same as attempting to tickle yourself. It can't be done, because the brain recognises it as being done by you. A self-flagellator will always hold back, because their brain tells them "ouch, that hurt, stop it".


Never met anyone with a fair amount of self-loathing, I take it?


Nor masochism.

... which is more about testing one's limits than about the pain, I gather. Seeing how much you can take.

That strikes me as being similarly in tune with a flagellant's beliefs and actions. Sort of like having a little imp (or sefrim? What do you call a small sefrim? Is there supposed to be such a thing?) on your shoulder, whispering, "Sure it hurts, but it's not unbearable. Come on! You can still stand it; clearly you haven't suffered enough!"
Arrendis
TK Corp
#31 - 2015-10-02 17:49:06 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
Empress (Bless her Ascended Soul), Miss Valate is not one of the judges. Over... my... dead.. body!


Quite right. Somehow, I completely misidentified the original poster. My apologies.


All Amarr look the same.


Mmmm, hardly. More that I was somewhat inebriated and saw the wrong name in the reply scrollback without remembering that it reverses order. But please do feel free to continue displaying your predisposition to racism.
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2015-10-02 18:33:35 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
Empress (Bless her Ascended Soul), Miss Valate is not one of the judges. Over... my... dead.. body!


Quite right. Somehow, I completely misidentified the original poster. My apologies.


All Amarr look the same.


Mmmm, hardly. More that I was somewhat inebriated and saw the wrong name in the reply scrollback without remembering that it reverses order. But please do feel free to continue displaying your predisposition to racism.


Dear Ms. Arrendis,

Apology is accepted.

Although I confess to being a little puzzled as I never posted in this thread prior and shouldn't have been seen in the reply scrollback. Oh well! it's probably the blonde in me confusing me.

Cordially,

Lunarisse Aspenstar Daphiti
Arrendis
TK Corp
#33 - 2015-10-02 19:01:11 UTC
No ma'am, I believe it was Ms. Amalath's name visible as I scrolled through the responses beneath the text window when I composed mine that stuck in my head. And my apology extends to her as well.
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