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Aquilan Aideron
Wardecs go here
#41 - 2015-10-02 11:00:01 UTC
Can you tell how CCP hates new and small entities?
Nadja Hawk
Doomheim
#42 - 2015-10-02 11:08:36 UTC
Broodin wrote:
Just as a musing from a newer player to eve, why does the wardec system function as it does? Most of the wardecs I have seen are oversized corps and alliances decing smaller corps and the system seems horribly imbalanced in favor of the megacorps and griefing alliances. Curious as to why there isn't either an opt out or even a 5 billion/month limit 100 member/corp neutrality license that smaller corps can get to shield themselves from being bullied by larger corps.


lots of ways to counter a wardec

1. ride out the storm in station
2. fight back
3. pay someone to fight for you
4. pay the corp that wardec you
5. move to another corp
6. go back to wow
The Asteroid
Fuel Blocks for Dante
#43 - 2015-10-02 11:10:41 UTC
7. Make an alt and shiptoast for a week
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#44 - 2015-10-02 11:38:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Guys I've never declared a war or been in a corp that either fights defensively in wars declared against it or declares wars themselves but wars definitely need to be nerfed.
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#45 - 2015-10-02 12:17:07 UTC
It needs to be altered, badly.

I would like it to be more difficult to wardec someone.

Maybe along the lines of if you gank someone in ANY system, the guy(s) killed get the right to wardec the offenders corp(s).

Obviously not if it was a mutually agreed duel.

But just declaring random wardecs wouldn't be possible any longer.

In fact make it harsher, make it that nobody in a npc corp could attack anyone else not in an npc corp and vice versa.

If you want pvp, join a player corp. Put a longer cool down on leaving a player corp as well so someone cant join, kill someone and jump back to a npc corp..A week maybe.


Just a few thoughts, I'll think more over beers this afternoon :)

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Odie McCracken
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2015-10-02 12:26:03 UTC
Aquilan Aideron wrote:
Can you tell how CCP hates new and small entities?


Not really, can you elaborate?
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#47 - 2015-10-02 12:30:24 UTC
Odie McCracken wrote:
Aquilan Aideron wrote:
Can you tell how CCP hates new and small entities?


Not really, can you elaborate?

They've made it cost and risk prohibitive for them to run their own wardec corps.
Syeed Ameer Ali
Dirtbag Space Warriors Coming for yor Loots
#48 - 2015-10-02 13:06:26 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Guys I've ever declared a war or been in a corp that either fights defensively in wars declared against or declares wars themselves but wars definitely need to be nerfed.


I was like "wat that's incoherent", then I realized that was your point. I like you Vimsy.P

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#49 - 2015-10-02 13:25:39 UTC
It's the exact position of literally everyone that thinks wars need some kind of nerf. They universally have no experience of the war declaration system other than being a totally passive non-participant. Yet somehow they feel qualified to talk about what is or isn't broken about it.

They don't seem concerned or even aware of the ways that the system is actually mechanically broken. Like how when a corp or alliance you're at war with disbands you're stuck with a bill in your wallet for a war against the entity that no longer exists that stays there forever unless you pay it.

They don't care about it actually working or being balanced, they just want it nerfed as much as possible, preferably to the point where nobody uses the mechanic at all. It's ridiculously transparent.
Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2015-10-02 13:39:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Kinete Jenius
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
It's the exact position of literally everyone that thinks wars need some kind of nerf. They universally have no experience of the war declaration system other than being a totally passive non-participant. Yet somehow they feel qualified to talk about what is or isn't broken about it.

They don't seem concerned or even aware of the ways that the system is actually mechanically broken. Like how when a corp or alliance you're at war with disbands you're stuck with a bill in your wallet for a war against the entity that no longer exists that stays there forever unless you pay it.

They don't care about it actually working or being balanced, they just want it nerfed as much as possible, preferably to the point where nobody uses the mechanic at all. It's ridiculously transparent.

That's your fault for wardecing people who have nothing to defend. If you actually decced an alliance that had assets and could defend themselves you wouldn't have that issue. Instead you wardec miners and newebies that you know you can club easily. Your targets know they have no chance against your group so they dodge the war. Then you come here and complain how it's too easy to dodge a wardecs.


Besides you should consider it a win if an alliance disbands. That's a billion isk wasted on their part and untold millions in individual corps. So you're coming out ahead in the isk war. Not to mention the ego stroking of forcing an alliance to disband with one wardec.



You could also HTFU and just gank them. After all you're looking for PVP right? Well having KRs out there will get you more PVP for free.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#51 - 2015-10-02 13:58:21 UTC
It's difficult to describe how dumb that post is. Corps rolling to avoid a war is actually pretty uncommon in my experience.

Corps and alliances disbanding as the result of a protracted war where they experience a lot of losses is extremely common and is in fact the classic "win" condition and a common objective of a war. Not to mention that people drop and disband alt and holding corps from alliances all the time.

You clearly have a preconception about highsec PVP groups that isn't accurate and the fact that you don't care about actual bugs in mechanics because you personally dislike a certain type of gameplay illustrates my point perfectly.

You don't care about the war declaration system working properly or being balanced. You just want it nerfed to punish the people who use it.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#52 - 2015-10-02 14:03:31 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:

You don't care about the war declaration system working properly or being balanced. You just want it nerfed to punish the people who use it.


And after all this time, hopefully CCP knows better than to listen to people who just want to heap punitive mechanics on other people's playstyles, rather than actually put effort into the game themselves.

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Valkin Mordirc
#53 - 2015-10-02 14:13:25 UTC
That time of the year again is it?


Though I suppose GD hasn't had a massive nerf wardec thread in awhile.


Just one more nerf and it all be balanced.


Roll
#DeleteTheWeak
Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2015-10-02 14:45:53 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
It's difficult to describe how dumb that post is. Corps rolling to avoid a war is actually pretty uncommon in my experience.

Corps and alliances disbanding as the result of a protracted war where they experience a lot of losses is extremely common and is in fact the classic "win" condition and a common objective of a war. Not to mention that people drop and disband alt and holding corps from alliances all the time.

You clearly have a preconception about highsec PVP groups that isn't accurate and the fact that you don't care about actual bugs in mechanics because you personally dislike a certain type of gameplay illustrates my point perfectly.

You don't care about the war declaration system working properly or being balanced. You just want it nerfed to punish the people who use it.

Your entire post is nothing more then a contradiction. You start off this post declaring that war dodging is pretty uncommon then you state it's actually common in the next paragraph. Of course in your earlier post you were complaining about all the dodging going on.

I am fine with the current wardec mechanic. I'm not fine with people like you who can't be bothered to expend any effort in the choices of their wardec targets coming here and complaining that some of their targets choose to dodge the war.

You are you actually referring to my post with your highsec pvp comment? If so that's hilarious.



Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#55 - 2015-10-02 14:50:46 UTC
I'm sorry that you don't know anything about wars and can't tell the difference between a corp rolling to avoid a war and a corp disbanding because they got their pooholes smashed and subsequently failcascaded.

I assume it's my fault you can't make that distinction, much it's a same way that the bills are bugged?
Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2015-10-02 14:56:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Kinete Jenius
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
I'm sorry that you don't know anything about wars and can't tell the difference between a corp rolling to avoid a war and a corp disbanding because they got their pooholes smashed and subsequently failcascaded.

I assume it's my fault you can't make that distinction, much it's a same way that the bills are bugged?

Well you could use normal English to convey your thoughts instead of using shorthand that I haven't seen used since beta. When you said rolling I assumed you meant they rolled into another corp. Apparently you being the creative little special snowflake you are have decided to assign a different meaning to it. If you do mean rolling into another corp then my statement still stands. Spend a little of your precious time to target corps with something to defend and you won't have that issue.



EDIT :

I do fully admit to having preconceptions about highsec pvp as I've personally destroyed hundreds of billions if not trillions of isk in highsec solo over the years.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#57 - 2015-10-02 15:37:54 UTC
The fact that you need to have basic information about how people behave during wars spoon fed to you is a pretty clear indicator that you're not qualified to be part of the discussion.
Syeed Ameer Ali
Dirtbag Space Warriors Coming for yor Loots
#58 - 2015-10-02 15:51:21 UTC
Kinete Jenius wrote:

I do fully admit to having preconceptions about highsec pvp as I've personally destroyed hundreds of billions if not trillions of isk in highsec solo over the years.


If this is true then post with your main or gtfo. If it's false then you are full of ****.

Either way it means your opinions are invalid.

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Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2015-10-02 17:13:14 UTC
Syeed Ameer Ali wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:

I do fully admit to having preconceptions about highsec pvp as I've personally destroyed hundreds of billions if not trillions of isk in highsec solo over the years.


If this is true then post with your main or gtfo. If it's false then you are full of ****.

Either way it means your opinions are invalid.

I have 24 active characters half of which are dedicated gank alts. My main from beta is gone. The last time I had a "main" was over 8 years ago.



Vimsy Vortis wrote:
The fact that you need to have basic information about how people behave during wars spoon fed to you is a pretty clear indicator that you're not qualified to be part of the discussion.


AKA : You've got nothing so the best you can do is try to derail the conversation with a personal attack that has no relevance to the thread.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#60 - 2015-10-02 17:28:41 UTC
It's not my fault you decided to make idiotic arguments about game mechanics without having any actual knowledge of the subject matter.