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Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2015-09-30 14:49:06 UTC
Hi,

how well do rhml apply to cruisers and bc?

i have a ship using RHML that is doing 1330 paper dps with fury heavies with heat.

1100 dps with faction and heat

i have scram web and tp on the ship.

will i be able to crush cruisers quickly? should i even bother targetting them at all?

thanks in advance
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-09-30 15:00:57 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
Unless your talking about a golem ("i have a ship" really just tell us which one lol), use a missile guidance computer instead of the TP

And yes you'll be able to hit cruisers fine (with faction).... unless theyve gone out of their way to be fast with a reduced sig

No Worries
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2015-09-30 15:05:03 UTC
thatnks chromestriker, yes the ship is a golem,

so i will apply ok with navy wat about fury? assuming they are scram, web, tp'd

the reload time of 35s is a bit worrying also.

but i cant get torps to fit :(
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-09-30 15:13:05 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
So a Duel XLASB golem then :p

with furies it becomes a bit more hit and miss, it really wants the application bonus it has to the larger missiles lol

Id say furries for BC or bigger and faction for smaller....

....... Assuming they come into web range :p a long range scram and your going to have problems

No Worries
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2015-09-30 15:19:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Bastion Arzi
...

your not wrong.

would it be worth changing the rhml for cruise launchers?

will application with cruise be better vs all targets?

looking at neocom

crusises lose me 300 dps but have much higher alpha.

also no nasty 30 second reload

edit - yeah the alpha is more than double
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-09-30 15:26:14 UTC
Bastion Arzi wrote:
...

your not wrong.

would it be worth changing the rhml for cruise launchers?

will application with cruise be better vs all targets?

looking at neocom

crusises lose me 300 dps but have much higher alpha.

also no nasty 30 second reload

edit - yeah the alpha is more than double


That changes tactics then... MJD, open up as they close then finnish them off up close... would prob drop the web for a second TP...

Not sure how well you'll apply dmg to cruisers either... if their MWD's on no worries but past that....

No Worries
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#7 - 2015-10-01 03:48:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Bastion Arzi wrote:
how well do rhml apply to cruisers and bc?

I assume this is for PvE? Fury heavy missiles will have poor application against cruisers and elite cruisers, but will be fine against destroyers, battlecruisers and battleships. On a Golem cruise launchers with Fury ammunition and a pair of target painters will be fine for battlecruisers and battleships. Switch to precision ammunition for everything else.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Sheeth Athonille
TerraTroopers
Get Off My Lawn
#8 - 2015-10-01 04:00:55 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Bastion Arzi wrote:
how well do rhml apply to cruisers and bc?

I assume this is for PvE? Fury heavy missiles will have poor application against cruisers and elite cruisers, but will be fine against destroyers, battlecruisers and battleships. On a Golem cruise launchers with Fury ammunition and a pair of target painters will be fine for battlecruisers and battleships. Switch to precision ammunition for everything else.


Why would it apply to destroyers but not cruisers? Am I missing something when it comes to sizes, or..?
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2015-10-01 08:37:50 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:

I assume this is for PvE?


no its for pvp

i also want to know why cruise will apply better to destroyers than cruisers. is that a mistake?
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-10-01 09:05:02 UTC
Bastion Arzi wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:

I assume this is for PvE?


no its for pvp

i also want to know why cruise will apply better to destroyers than cruisers. is that a mistake?





Sig/EHp ratio basically, in PvE destoyers get hit hard!... Your main problem will be Svipuls and the like, which are a whole other ball game Twisted

No Worries
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2015-10-01 09:19:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Bastion Arzi
think im gonna switch to cruise.

tested 1 volley from RHML and 1 volley from cruise using faction nova against a stationary nomen.

the cruise hit harder by 100 or so.

also tp increased my damage from cruise by ~50% against the stationary nomen.

wierd tho tp did not change the damage at all on the RHML (when he was stationary)

also cruise becuase the 10 second reload means i can be more verstaile (switching from mjolnir to nova for example)
Amanda Chan
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-10-01 11:19:13 UTC
Bastion Arzi wrote:
think im gonna switch to cruise.

tested 1 volley from RHML and 1 volley from cruise using faction nova against a stationary nomen.

the cruise hit harder by 100 or so.

also tp increased my damage from cruise by ~50% against the stationary nomen.

wierd tho tp did not change the damage at all on the RHML (when he was stationary)

also cruise becuase the 10 second reload means i can be more verstaile (switching from mjolnir to nova for example)


Testing against a stationary target is a terrible bench mark. ESPECIALLY when using oversized missiles for undersized targets.
Once your target gets moving cruise damage will drop off dramatically faster compared to Heavy missiles.

Besides don't most yolo Golems use Torps? If they're in point range then your in torp range...usually.
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2015-10-01 11:27:23 UTC
well i only had time for a brief test yesteday.

i'll run a more rigorous testing regime later.

I would use torps but cant get them to fit.

and as i said the versatility a 10 second reload gives you over a 35 second one is a big bonus.

i wont have to worry about finishing a target before reload.

also my fit employs a scram web and tp to reduce the effect of a moving target along with hardwiting for target navigation prediction and missile rof (5% each)
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2015-10-01 11:35:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Bastion Arzi
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2015-10-01 11:43:47 UTC
if this link

http://sisterofeve.ru/

is in date maybe it should be stickied?

useful site
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#16 - 2015-10-01 12:20:04 UTC
RHML with Precision heavy missiles. Pair of target painters.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Amanda Chan
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-10-01 13:07:38 UTC
Bastion Arzi wrote:
if this link

http://sisterofeve.ru/

is in date maybe it should be stickied?

useful site


That site lacks customization. Some hulls get bonus to target painters signature bloom, target painters also have different signature bonuses and option for rigor/flare is not there.

Using the damage graph in EFT isn't that hard, plus you have a lot more options.
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2015-10-01 13:14:16 UTC
does the eft damage graph let you compare several types at once? so hm vs cruise etc or do i have to run a seperate graph each time?
Amanda Chan
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-10-01 13:50:10 UTC
Bastion Arzi wrote:
does the eft damage graph let you compare several types at once? so hm vs cruise etc or do i have to run a seperate graph each time?


It will update dynamically as you make changes to the hull. Or you could just create several fits and set them all as attackers. There will be a different dps bar for each.
Thron Legacy
White Zulu
Scorpion Federation
#20 - 2015-10-02 13:36:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Thron Legacy
you, sir, got no idea of how missile application exactly works do you?
I would go with RHML and a tp, only disruptor so you free up a mid
You can still go cruise, but then I'd take a web maybe

EDIT: hang on there a second. im gonna give you a graph for RHML and Cruise so you can compare
EDIT: no im not doing that, found no good tool online
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