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Spike in manufacturing materials cost.

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Knitram Relik
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-09-29 19:20:50 UTC
I've noticed that across all the manufacturing materials are on the rise. Is it a rise in demand or a drop in supply?

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Hochopepa
Creative Research and Production Services
#2 - 2015-09-29 19:37:37 UTC
Knitram Relik wrote:
I've noticed that across all the manufacturing materials are on the rise. Is it a rise in demand or a drop in supply?


Wars on miners possibly?
Knitram Relik
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-09-29 19:44:38 UTC
80% of my manufacturing is rigs. Salvage mats are up too. Contaminated nanite compound has gone from 5800 to 7500 in the past two weeks. Other mats are on the rise too.

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0000000000ZERO0000000000
Zero Zentharis
#4 - 2015-09-30 02:03:38 UTC
Rage offlining accounts because plex is "too high"?
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#5 - 2015-09-30 02:29:18 UTC
I have a theory on this, but I need to position myself in the market first before disclosing it. Several items have gone up 5-10% already and I feel they can go up further - other items I expect to *drop* due to a shift in what is the limiting factor of certain types of production.

As for the person making rigs - GTFO that market, it's going to end in tears soon. I've already sold all my Augmentation decryptors (the only exposure I had to the rig production market) and I sold them all into the hype. There is major overproduction of T2 rigs right now.


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Capsups
Atomic Mangocorp
#6 - 2015-09-30 07:15:29 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:

...There is major overproduction of T2 rigs right now.


I am legitimately curious as to how you figure this out? Care to elaborate?
Boom Laison
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-09-30 08:09:39 UTC
0000000000ZERO0000000000 wrote:
Rage offlining accounts because plex is "too high"?

This.

If you take a look at Dodixie market, you will see, that number of sell orders droped to 50% since the start of the year, where number of buy orders is still at 2/3. Actuall market offer is really poor, some local markets like Orvolle droped even further. Less players in game means less offer. Less offer... well you know what it means.

This is not a spike. It is a clear tendency over this year.
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#8 - 2015-09-30 12:17:43 UTC
Boom Laison wrote:
0000000000ZERO0000000000 wrote:
Rage offlining accounts because plex is "too high"?

This.

If you take a look at Dodixie market, you will see, that number of sell orders droped to 50% since the start of the year, where number of buy orders is still at 2/3. Actuall market offer is really poor, some local markets like Orvolle droped even further. Less players in game means less offer. Less offer... well you know what it means.

This is not a spike. It is a clear tendency over this year.


There was a recent thread about this, I believe the concensus was that eve-marketdata is not correct. Check Sabriz's post history in MD for the thread.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#9 - 2015-09-30 12:50:30 UTC
Capsups wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:

...There is major overproduction of T2 rigs right now.


I am legitimately curious as to how you figure this out? Care to elaborate?



A combination of watching discussions in the Science and Industry forums (one in particular) and watching the market for Augmentation decryptors (a decryptor that is almost useless outside of T2 rig production, but is amazing there).

I felt bad buying a tech 2 rig for personal use recently because all my market instincts were screaming "DO NOT TOUCH THIS MARKET IT'S GOING TO CRASH" until I realised how irrelevant that was on a rig I was intending to use.

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Trix Andrard
Doomheim
#10 - 2015-09-30 15:05:42 UTC
That happened before the exact same way.

It was when something sparkles people to actually see how the several aspects of EVE work together and getting some people's bullshit selfish ideas of what makes the game good actually can explode in their own faces.

For traders it is all good, the stocks we pilled up from better times gets us isk now.

Soon there will be some reckoning, as it always does, and then it is time to resupply while some other effort of "shaping EVE as a space FPS" rise.

Carnal rule of gun trade: Never pick up a gun and join the costumers.

Work around spies for a while, and you learn to be careful when it looks like you're getting what you want.

Maya Bewell
MorningStar Technology
#11 - 2015-09-30 18:00:52 UTC
From my understanding being a rig builder and an explorer, I see far less competition at the exploration end right now.

Going from a very competitive to blows low and null to finding multiple sites uncontested, of course this is only my own little world but I do feel there is far less exploration taking place at the moment.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2015-09-30 19:18:46 UTC
Knitram Relik wrote:
I've noticed that across all the manufacturing materials are on the rise. Is it a rise in demand or a drop in supply?


Yes.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2015-09-30 19:19:48 UTC
0000000000ZERO0000000000 wrote:
Rage offlining accounts because plex is "too high"?


People who used to think mining their own minerals made them free apparently. Roll

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Trix Andrard
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-09-30 19:38:56 UTC
Maya Bewell wrote:
From my understanding being a rig builder and an explorer, I see far less competition at the exploration end right now.

Going from a very competitive to blows low and null to finding multiple sites uncontested, of course this is only my own little world but I do feel there is far less exploration taking place at the moment.


People on the bandwagon of CCP impunity promoting punishment policy goes after anyone who needs a less combat capable ship to do something. That is the thing. Anything you do that makes you use slots otherwise used for attack or defense are subject to scan and hit and run attacks.

It is a fact that those people actually fear low and null sec to do this, because they themselves arent so skillful as to embrace that danger, but in hisec, they do.

Carnal rule of gun trade: Never pick up a gun and join the costumers.

Work around spies for a while, and you learn to be careful when it looks like you're getting what you want.

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#15 - 2015-10-01 10:08:55 UTC
Well I'm a bit better positioned in the market now so I'll explain what will increase and what will not.

Some goods are limited by the number of player hours spent harvesting them. Example: Minerals. Call these time constrained goods. As the main ISK faucet is ratting bounties, ISK falls in this category.

Some are limited by the number of characters spent harvesting them. Example: PI goods, science slots. Call these account constrained goods.

And some are limited by the number of resource nodes in the game. Example: Moongoo.


As player numbers contract, I expect the less invested players to be more likely to leave the game. As such I expect average playtime per account to increase.

As a result, account constrained goods will increase in value relative to time constrained and node constrained goods.

I may have just spent an eleven figure sum on PI materials.

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Trix Andrard
Doomheim
#16 - 2015-10-01 13:45:56 UTC
That only accounts for "formal sources of itens".

Criminal and Legal action bring you itens that would "magically" show up.

You may "harvest" from reprocessing reward ships and modules, you may get PI itens from enemy bases, and so on.

Source logic do not work to a larger extent in New Eden.

If that was the case, you would never have 60% of built itens costing less than the materials they are made of.

Carnal rule of gun trade: Never pick up a gun and join the costumers.

Work around spies for a while, and you learn to be careful when it looks like you're getting what you want.