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[news] Wirykomi Wyvern-class supercarrier stolen by Guristas

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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2015-09-29 21:00:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Markus Reese
Arrendis wrote:

Yes, congratulations on ignoring the particulars of the situation.




No particulars ignored. Considered and higly improbable all the same. Not being able to track where it went? Any cyno lit broadcasts enough to find without issue. Cannot have been that many in range. At least nothing which couldnt have been investigated in short order. It still doesnt explain how it is physically possible to get from hangar to full jump control in minutes. Just not possible. It would take that just to get out of the hangar.

More likely answer? It was fit for capsuleer operation. One person interface, all good to go.

I am raising questions based on the particulars. A fool takes things at face value.

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#22 - 2015-09-29 21:23:14 UTC
On the starbase forcefield question, I was wondering the same, until I realized: if you have the sort of access to compromise a supercarrier's hangar forcefield, you certainly have the sort of access to compromise a starbase's forcefield. To be honest, increasingly, I tend to think this raid was the product of an internal Wiyrkomi play, or follow-on from the Provists who ran to ground some years ago. In either case, we'd have parties who would be able to sell the codes or access, and an organization which has repeatedly profited at the expense of State corporations or personnel engaged in various petty vendettas.

As to the how of the raid itself, I'll stop myself before I begin arguing the specifics. What matters, ultimately, is what we see: the Dread Guristas executed a flawless raid, seized a supercapital ship in a boarding action, and made off with it. The how is secondary to the deed itself.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#23 - 2015-09-29 21:36:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Markus Reese wrote:
Arrendis wrote:

Yes, congratulations on ignoring the particulars of the situation.




No particulars ignored. Considered and higly improbable all the same. Not being able to track where it went? Any cyno lit broadcasts enough to find without issue. Cannot have been that many in range. At least nothing which couldnt have been investigated in short order. It still doesnt explain how it is physically possible to get from hangar to full jump control in minutes. Just not possible. It would take that just to get out of the hangar.

More likely answer? It was fit for capsuleer operation. One person interface, all good to go.

I am raising questions based on the particulars. A fool takes things at face value.


'Once aboard, they seem to have taken over the hangar controls and waited for the crew exchange to take place.'

Which is how much time? Just because the Scope's recreation of events seems to indicate a total time from landing to jump of under 2 minutes doesn't mean a damned thing. I'd be surprised if they didn't land hours ahead of time, in part specifically to make sure they had people in position to lock down compartment hatches and begin bringing the jump drive online.

As for where?

That depends entirely on who took it, now doesn't it?

If it was a faction within the State, the way the Scope suggests, then they could have reached any of the 8 Caldari systems in range - presumably replacing or the ship's ID beacon along the way - if it wasn't already disabled as part of the refit. If not...

Well, 11 of the remaining 12 options in range are in Imperium space - and at least 1 of those has a static beacon. Infinity Space up in 4NGK-F might as well, I couldn't say. Maybe Bastion took it. Maybe someone used a self-destruct cyno that was gone seconds after it jumped. Are you going to tell me that the Caldari Navy was going to come up into the Vale of the Silent to 'investigate', without having clear evidence that we had their ship? Over one supercarrier?

They're not that stupid. State (or Empire, or Republic, or Federation) forces attempting a reconnaissance-in-force would be a great way to get everyone else shooting something other than the Imperium. And sure, maybe the Caldari Navy has enough supercapitals to wipe us out - but how many would they lose doing it, and how many can they afford to lose while they're fighting amongst themselves and still have to keep watching the Federation over their shoulders?

I think, perhaps, you should reconsider 'nothing that couldn't have been investigated in short order'.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#24 - 2015-09-29 21:38:01 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
On the starbase forcefield question, I was wondering the same, until I realized: if you have the sort of access to compromise a supercarrier's hangar forcefield, you certainly have the sort of access to compromise a starbase's forcefield. To be honest, increasingly, I tend to think this raid was the product of an internal Wiyrkomi play, or follow-on from the Provists who ran to ground some years ago. In either case, we'd have parties who would be able to sell the codes or access, and an organization which has repeatedly profited at the expense of State corporations or personnel engaged in various petty vendettas.


Entirely possible - though it was a Caldari Navy Wyvern, not a Wiyrkomi ship. Two different sets of infiltration to get through to get both passwords.

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As to the how of the raid itself, I'll stop myself before I begin arguing the specifics. What matters, ultimately, is what we see: the Dread Guristas executed a flawless raid, seized a supercapital ship in a boarding action, and made off with it. The how is secondary to the deed itself.


Sure - if you believe the Guristas did it, and aren't just taking credit to puff up their rep - probably collecting a nice purse from the actual thieves to take the heat off them, too.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#25 - 2015-09-29 22:51:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Two sets of organizations, sure, but both organizations would need access: the navy to enter a Wiyrkomi starbase's forcefields, or Wiyrkomi to enter the Wyvern's hangar. In either situation, the more restricted will certainly be the Wyvern's. Isn't there an old joke about how secure Goon starbases are...? I imagine it's the same for a megacorporation's starbase, try as they might.

That said, I think it's fairly reasonable to assume the Guristas did it. They may've done it with information sold or given to them by an outside source, but actions of this sort are something of a Guristas hallmark. Certainly we can construct a fanciful scenario in which it was a false flag, but, really, that will require assumptions that we have no evidence for.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#26 - 2015-09-29 23:49:35 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Certainly we can construct a fanciful scenario in which it was a false flag, but, really, that will require assumptions that we have no evidence for.


At this point, we have no evidence for the Guristas, either, except that Wiyrkomi and the Caldari Navy have given that name to the Scope.
Zuzmaw
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2015-09-30 03:38:40 UTC
Embarrassing, as it may be.

But nothing compared to that Serpentis Titan hijacking.
Zavier Dessaultnier
Doomheim
#28 - 2015-09-30 04:24:44 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Neph wrote:
The Scope reports that Dread Guristas have hijacked a Wirykomi Wyvern while it was moored for refitting. Now the Rabbit has his hands on a supercarrier?

You act as if the Guristas are small-time thugs. Given how readily-available the schematics for Wyverns are and how much manpower the Guristas have, it's not like they couldn't build one themselves if they needed one. I'm sure they already have a dozen at least.

No, they didn't just want a supercarrier, and they didn't just want a Wyvern. They wanted the Antero, specifically. Either the ship had something on it that someone wanted, or someone wanted to embarass or weaken Wiyrkomi. It might have been the Guristas, or they might simply be working for someone else. It's not like Wiyrkomi has a shortage of enemies - it's a Caldari megacorporation.


I find myself in general agreement with your assessment, Mr. Ixiris. However in the interest of speculation on recent events I do wonder on them when I consider some points.

Kritel Labs, the primary firm that conducted R&D/Manufacture for the Mantis class Fighter-Bomber is a Lai Dai subsidiary.

A Lai Dai/Carthum Conglomerate convoy was recently attacked by forces unknown and their cargo absconded with.

Wiyrkomi experiences the theft by Guristas of the aforementioned Wyvern carrier, Antero, which is designed (I assume) primarily to deploy Mantis class Fighter-Bombers.

The Guristas with the Gecko have shown they have been able to redesign and deploy a new class of fighter based off what is I think is the Caldari Dragonfly class.

Taken altogether it might imply something or maybe nothing at all I suppose.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#29 - 2015-09-30 05:39:50 UTC
I'll put the kettle on, shall I Wiyrkomi?

This is not what Sobaseki would have expected of you.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#30 - 2015-09-30 06:42:31 UTC
Zavier Dessaultnier wrote:
The Guristas with the Gecko have shown they have been able to redesign and deploy a new class of fighter based off what is I think is the Caldari Dragonfly class.


Gecko's a superheavy drone, not a fighter. 50 cubic meters of volume instead of 4,000m3. Also, no crew (fighters have pilots).
Vollhov
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2015-09-30 11:03:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Vollhov
Del.
Good luck to all.Cry

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Nakito Kobara
Yamagata Syndicate
Northern Coalition.
#32 - 2015-09-30 11:08:12 UTC
Quite disturbing that Wirykomi security is in a state that allows this to happen.

I shall be contacting the relevant authorities with an offer of consultancy in this matter with our specialists.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#33 - 2015-09-30 14:51:26 UTC
Have you terribly much experience in securing supercapitals, then?
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#34 - 2015-09-30 15:29:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Arrendis wrote:


At this point, we have no evidence for the Guristas, either, except that Wiyrkomi and the Caldari Navy have given that name to the Scope.


Except for, you know, the gaggle of Taipan that entered the ship's hangar with a boarding crew.


Arrendis wrote:
Have you terribly much experience in securing supercapitals, then?


The Enforcement Directive has some experience; not something usually paraded around in the warzone, for obvious reasons.

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Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#35 - 2015-09-30 15:48:41 UTC
Someone was cutting corners. SOP is to get the relief crew fully aboard and left seat, right seat it for a bit with the current crew. They make sure everything is set and that the relief crew knows any issues that might need to be taken care of. At least, that's how we did RIPs back when I was a CalNav Marine.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#36 - 2015-09-30 16:07:23 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
The Enforcement Directive has some experience; not something usually paraded around in the warzone, for obvious reasons.


More, or less than Caldari Navy, do you think?
Nakito Kobara
Yamagata Syndicate
Northern Coalition.
#37 - 2015-09-30 16:47:26 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Have you terribly much experience in securing supercapitals, then?


If that ever becomes any your business (which I seriously doubt)... I'll let you know the answer to that.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#38 - 2015-09-30 17:29:17 UTC
Now now, no need to get all touchy about things. It was simply a matter of professional curiosity, from a member of an organization with a long history of operating supercapitals.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#39 - 2015-09-30 18:42:26 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
The Enforcement Directive has some experience; not something usually paraded around in the warzone, for obvious reasons.


More, or less than Caldari Navy, do you think?


Considering the Navy's recent history of capital ship theft, including supercapitals, I'd be inclined to say that while the Navy has a great deal of experience, it appears to have some serious operational deficiencies. A rigorous review of security procedures seems advisable.

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Louella Dougans
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
#40 - 2015-09-30 18:46:11 UTC
I didn't know that was how you pronounced Wiyrkomi.

But now I do.

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