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Someone help me with understanding a point about killrights, please
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#1 - 2015-09-24 17:03:11 UTC
This is all new to me See and Pee, so go easy plox :)


Anyway, one of my merry band has had a killright against him put up for offer for 50m, and my understanding (probably incorrect) is that whoever pays that would then activate it, thereby allowing all in the vicinity to attack for a 15 minute window.

Obviously this is fairly inconvenient for my operations at present!


My question is - is it possible for a non-connected alt to somehow pay the 50m, activate the KR while my guy is safely tucked up, and wait out the 15 minute window?


Yes, it's a bit lame, but I have space bucks riding on him being able to move around highsec safely!

TYIA Big smile

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Fybs
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-09-24 17:06:52 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
This is all new to me See and Pee, so go easy plox :)


Anyway, one of my merry band has had a killright against him put up for offer for 50m, and my understanding (probably incorrect) is that whoever pays that would then activate it, thereby allowing all in the vicinity to attack for a 15 minute window.

Obviously this is fairly inconvenient for my operations at present!


My question is - is it possible for a non-connected alt to somehow pay the 50m, activate the KR while my guy is safely tucked up, and wait out the 15 minute window?


Yes, it's a bit lame, but I have space bucks riding on him being able to move around highsec safely!

TYIA Big smile


What's your friend's name old chap?

Don't confuse kindness with weakness.

Beware the hand of Fybs.

Proud CEO of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#3 - 2015-09-24 17:12:18 UTC
My old buddy's name Is Gorki Andropov


He's asking to be let off so he can play nice, but he knows what the denizens of See and Pee are like, and - coupled with his naivete regarding this mechanism - is quite expecting a nasty surprise to be pulled Big smile


TYIA Bear

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Paranoid Loyd
#4 - 2015-09-24 17:13:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Yes, as long as the killright has been set to available to all, anyone can activate it.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#5 - 2015-09-24 17:15:39 UTC
Thanks guys, yes - it said it has been made available to all. I tried right clicking on him with an alt to see if there was some way of activating it, but I couldn't see anything. I'm feeling quite lost! :)

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Paranoid Loyd
#6 - 2015-09-24 17:16:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
You click on them in the overview, the "selected item" box that shows their ship and name will have a little crosshair in it.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#7 - 2015-09-24 17:23:36 UTC
Ah, ha - great! Thanks Loyd...I was looking for love in all of the wrong places, apparently Big smileBlink

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Paranoid Loyd
#8 - 2015-09-24 17:41:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Side note: That one is a bit too expensive to use as bait, but lower value kill rights are very useful for setting traps. Just activate and wait. Blink

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#9 - 2015-09-24 17:43:29 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Side note: That ones a bit too expensive to use as bait, but lower value kill rights are very useful for setting traps. Just activate and wait. Blink



Very interesting idea Loyd, thanks for the pointer!


So how would you go about doing that - get an alt to jettison a mobile structure, you shoot it, and your alt sells it off for a low, low price?

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Paranoid Loyd
#10 - 2015-09-24 17:46:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Oh I was referring to having them already and using them instead of just shedding them with an alt . If you want to make yourself suspect just need to grab something out of a can or shoot an MTU.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#11 - 2015-09-24 17:48:32 UTC
Ahh, I see - great advice, thanks! (and nice Gila kill, I meant to add!)

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#12 - 2015-09-24 18:23:08 UTC
Btw Bumble, your mate actually needs to lose something for the kr to be consumed.

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#13 - 2015-09-24 18:28:06 UTC
Again, something I didn't know - it's back to school for me, which is great - thanks Ralph! I will make sure that he understands that one of his precious Velators has to bite the dust :)

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Jevatoxa
Amandla Legion
#14 - 2015-09-28 12:45:06 UTC
It can be useful to have a jump clone in Jita 4-4 and a zero dock bookmark off said 4-4.

Then, all you need do is undock in something reasonably juicy looking (domis, orcas or typhoons work well for this) then undock without touching any controls, activating mods etc. The undock invulnerability timer is your friend here, as 4-4 is so busy that many people will activate your killright before they check if you are lockable. Once you go suspect, dock up and then undock in a noob ship. Let someone kill you then warp your pod out. KR gone, problem solved.

Even better, use the zero dock bookmark to get back in station while the limited engagement timer is still active and then undock something pvp fitted and kill the person who shot your noob ship. If you time it right, your suspect flag will be gone but the limited engagement timer will still be active.

Even better still, shoot at a friend or alt to earn the killright against you, then repeat the above steps and cash in when someone activates it.

Have fun :)
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#15 - 2015-09-28 13:47:53 UTC
Just have you friend undock in a Velator. Activate kill right, destroy the ship, he warps off, kill right gone.
Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#16 - 2015-10-02 05:06:02 UTC
Warp around high sec in something moderately pricy, especially near trade hubs, and someone is bound to activate the kill right. Do it smartly and they can't catch you, you can then reship to a rookie ship and get blown up.

If you want to deny someone the pleasure of killing your rookie ship, you could always have rats kill you instead while the suspect timer from the kill right is active. Warp to a belt, anom or mission. This will clear the KR as well.