EVE General Discussion

I agree with OP.

Im for 350k addition to all existing EVE accounts at the point of change (regardless of whether they are subbed at that point).

Not just because Ill take any SP I can get, but because its fair to everyone.

Furthermore the kind of community hype even this small SP addition to existing accounts would generate helps source back some lost players (SP whores that we all are).

The net SP inflation across EVE is insignificant, and since all characters woyld benefit from it equally, it merely begningly raises the status quo of everyone equally, as well as providing an opportunity for some small diversification/specialisation which prompts more player created content.

Its win/win/win really, for everyone involved.

Its a windfall that benefits new players most obviously, but from which there is no harm (rather only benefits) in applying it to all of EVEs characters.

350k SP to everyone, hurts no one.

Haha, holy ****, command ships. all that training and they aren't even good.

Go back to Starship Troopers.

+1

This is why everyone cries for free SP if something happens to the server, because CCP was trying to be nice that one time and gave everyone free SP,.

Now it's some kind on entitlement people expect despite the fact that everyone here agrees to the EULA and the EULA says CCP doesn't owe us anything even when the servers die for a time.

Precedent:
The existing precedent is already being broken in Vanguard. The one which governed all generated accounts uptil now.
The breach of the existing precedent is harmonized by applying the same boost equally throughout the entirety of the character base. The precedent of a common SP status quo remains intact, and the only remaining breached precedent is that of adding SP to the pool in the first place (as mitigated by the above, since everyone would get it).

Arbitrarity:
The increase for new characters is not arbitrary (obviously) .
The function and purpose is evidently in providing more options for players.
However, if this is not added to all characters, it becomes arbitrary from the perspective of the remainder of characters not included in the change. This, again, is reconciled in a universal SP boost. For purposes of comparative proof, imagine if 10yr vets got a 350k boost. From the perspective of new players, this would be seen as arbitrary and unequitable (and rightly so).

I understand the "slippery slope" side as well, and though this is technically termed an argumentative fallacy, in practice (in my experience and view) it more often than not actually proves itself true. I hope SP boosting (let alone SP buying), does not become a real or common thing. Perhaps. We dont know.

Excluding existing characters from the boost, exacerbates the precedential breach, and its arbitrariness in equity between characters created before or after the change.

Not making the 350k boost universal creates problems in equity, precedent and arguments of arbitrariness.
Making the 350k boost universal resolves all of those, and maintains status quo and the integrity of precedent, because nobody is excluded, and hence cannot argue loss of equity, nor that the change which only applies to characters created thereafter would constitute an arbtrary one, as they benefit from it equally.

Pragmatically, all it does is raise the SP base of the entirety of EVE.
There is no rational, nor enlightened self-interest argument, that can contravene that.

Tippia and Jenn:

By all means, resist the addition of 350k to the New Player pool, on your basis of breach of precedent and arbitrariness, if you so see it. I understand you dont want anyone getting free SP. That is valid, because it is universal. You expect the same for everyone.

I resist it also, unless it is applied as universal to all characters, in which case the precedent of SP status quo is maintained, and it cannot be argued as arbitrary, since everyone benefits from it equally.

Understand also that this change applying 350k only to new characters, is a far more severe breach of precedence, and an arbitrary act, than is adding 350k to all characters past present and future (which includes new characters).

The precedent of arbitrarily adding SP ONLY to certain characters (in this case, new ones post change), is far more severe than the precedent of adding SP to ALL characters (which is entirely benign in equity and cannot be considered arbitrary, as there is no one who does not benefit from it exactly equally to everyone else).

I'll save Tippia the sixteen paragraphs and just say:

Yes.

"Yes" is not an answer which fits the syntax of the question.

Correct syntax is either for or against.

Yes/no is not an answer.



Why should new characters, created after a certain date, have more starting SP than characters created before that date?

Because it's better for the game.

Because they were created under a different set of rules.