EVE General Discussion

That's a compelling rebuttal, but could you explain the flaw in my argument instead of implying it is mistaken? My ignorance is nothing I've attempted to hide and if you're keen to give a history lesson, I am happy to be persuaded.

Yes, very much like that, but with a factual rebuttal of my learning skills corollary instead of the implication that all arguments from my person are invalid due to a historical handicap.

Can you elaborate on what my "complete misunderstanding," is?

You mean like I did in the previous post?

You think something is being (virtually) removed, when in fact everything stays exactly the same.

To be even more accurate, you said that “these skills […] have been effectively removed for one or all ranks.”

…except that, like I said in the previous post, they haven't been removed — not partially and definitely not entirely. Every level is still there and every level still matters as much as it used to. The levels are still required for the same things they've always been required for, and nothing has changed in terms of how skills interact or are dependent on each other.

So it's more akin to the skills being the same they've always been because, well, they haven't changed in any way.

In fact, if it had happened the way you claim, the new characters wouldn't need the additional skill levels they're getting. But of course, they do need them because the skills and their levels haven't been removed, altered, skipped, fiddled with or changed in any way whatsoever.

No, the reason is because we've seen these kinds of transitions before; we know the principles at play; and we aren't particularly surprised that those not affected by the change aren't getting any SP.

Seems you should take the time to actually read what we say rather than rely on strawman fallacies and similar nonsense.

I'm sorry are you referring to me or Tippia? The first part appears to agree with me, but the second part leaves me wondering....how is a player with 2 million SP considered a "veteran".....?

I'm not saying all veterans are the same as they're not.

I was replying to what Tippia wrote, not yourself. The reply to your reply.

To which the corollary is that those who are put out by this change are only so because they feel like they are missing out on more free stuff.

Except this change is not about free stuff. It is about giving new players more options sooner. From CCP's perspective SP is just a way to keep track of the options a player has within certain mechanics in the game.

However if we were to take the 'catching up' reading of this many posters here have, then you could argue that from the perspective of a new player who would benefit from this change, giving it to those who have already had a 'few months head start' would make the change less valuable to them...

In fact, those skill points given to a player a few months into the game would actually have a different value than it would to a fresh player. For a new player, it is the difference between actually having basic access to content, or being able to fit a ship. To a more established player it allows them to become more specialised and effective in a chosen role.

Ultimately the arguement from those who feel they are missing out is one from self interest, so I won't expect them to worry about the game's health or acknowledge what CCP is trying to accomplish if it makes it harder to argue for something that benefits them personally. Because greed and humans.

I don't see what that has to do with it.

They give sp for extended downtime, so they have the means to make it fair for everyone, yet they choose not to.

That doesn't make what they're doing right.

If they didn't have the means to do it fairly then I could understand them choosing the course of action that they are doing. Although I still think 350k is too small to make any real difference.