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Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#181 - 2015-09-25 21:45:18 UTC
Johnny Riko wrote:



Please ignore the two of them. Their ship toasting has lowered the level of dicussion in this thread. The two of them have successfully given me cancer.


Considering what I had to endure surviving the form of cancer I had to deal with I do hope you experience exactly the same I have.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#182 - 2015-09-25 21:47:07 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Tippia:

Are you for, or against, adding 350k SP to new characters?


I'll save Tippia the sixteen paragraphs and just say:

Yes.

"Yes" is not an answer which fits the syntax of the question.

Correct syntax is either for or against.

Yes/no is not an answer.


It's the answer to the question regardless.

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Salvos Rhoska
#183 - 2015-09-25 21:51:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Val'Dore wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Tippia:

Are you for, or against, adding 350k SP to new characters?


I'll save Tippia the sixteen paragraphs and just say:

Yes.

"Yes" is not an answer which fits the syntax of the question.

Correct syntax is either for or against.

Yes/no is not an answer.


It's the answer to the question regardless.


Q: "Are you for or against abortion?"

A: "Yes. Derp"

Q: "Do you prefer red or green apples?"

A: "Yes. Herp".

Q: "How old are you?"

A: "Yes. Ferp."

Q: "Next!"

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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#184 - 2015-09-25 21:54:25 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Tippia:

Are you for, or against, adding 350k SP to new characters?


I'll save Tippia the sixteen paragraphs and just say:

Yes.

"Yes" is not an answer which fits the syntax of the question.

Correct syntax is either for or against.

Yes/no is not an answer.


It's the answer to the question regardless.


Q: "Are you for or against abortion?"

A: "Yes. Derp"

Q: "Next!"


Actually, that is also the answer to that question. You're catching on, but no need to derp yourself over it.

Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy.

I invented Tiericide
Salvos Rhoska
#185 - 2015-09-25 22:00:46 UTC
Q: "Are you a human being or a potato?"

A: "Yes. Gerp"

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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#186 - 2015-09-25 22:05:14 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Q: "Are you a human being or a potato?"

A: "Yes. Gerp"


You can't force a question on an answer, just because the answer is the correct one for other questions. The world isn't black or white, and if you asked if it were, I'd say 'Yes'.

You don't have to like an answer, if you truly wanted it, it wouldn't matter what it was.

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I invented Tiericide
Salvos Rhoska
#187 - 2015-09-25 22:18:07 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Q: "Are you a human being or a potato?"

A: "Yes. Gerp"


You can't force a question on an answer, just because the answer is the correct one for other questions. The world isn't black or white, and if you asked if it were, I'd say 'Yes'.

You don't have to like an answer, if you truly wanted it, it wouldn't matter what it was.


Im at a loss for words to describe how utterly wrong you are, and how contrary your position is to what language is, and what its purpose is.

Ask me a question, any question, and I will demonstrate.

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Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#188 - 2015-09-25 22:28:26 UTC
Val'Dore is correct
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#189 - 2015-09-25 22:38:24 UTC
its at this point in the thread that it becomes apparent that salvos is in reality a muppet and not worth engaging further on this topic

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Salvos Rhoska
#190 - 2015-09-25 22:38:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Val'Dore wrote:
You can't force a question on an answer, just because the answer is the correct one for other questions.

Try that in an examination sometime.

Val'Dore wrote:

The world isn't black or white, and if you asked if it were, I'd say 'Yes'.

So you say the world (though infact we were only tqlking about language), isnt black or white.
But if I ask you if its black or white, you'd answer "yes"?
Is that not blatantly contradictory, even disregarding the syntax makes no sense in the first place?

Val'Dore wrote:
You don't have to like an answer, if you truly wanted it, it wouldn't matter what it was.

What?
Ofc I dont have to like the answer. So what? Thats my business.
And if I truly want an answer, I wont care what it is?
Wth is that even supposed to mean?

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#191 - 2015-09-25 23:12:01 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Val'Dore is correct
Indeed. The answer was obviously yes.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#192 - 2015-09-26 00:16:24 UTC
Were on page 10! Time for MOAR FERRET!!!!





Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Paranoid Loyd
#193 - 2015-09-26 00:21:30 UTC
\o/

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Avvy
Doomheim
#194 - 2015-09-26 02:06:57 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
There is no harm in applying the 350k to all past, present and future characters.


Yeah, there would be no harm at all.

I suspect CCP doesn't want to do it because the last time free sp was given for downtime things didn't appear to go smoothly for some people, which would have generated support tickets. So I'd say they're trying to avoid that this time.

Of course it would be fairer if everyone got it, not surprising some vets say otherwise it, wouldn't even really effect them at all.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#195 - 2015-09-26 02:47:26 UTC
Tippia wrote:
…and the rest of us are saying that, on the scale of things, the 6 days worth of training is nothing.


Yeah, when you have 10s of millions of SP it looks like nothing. When you are just starting out it is a considerable difference.

It is called decreasing returns to scale. This change means nothing to me. My main has over 120 million SP. 350,000 extra SP means almost nothing because the marginal improvement in my characters ability to fly various ships is very, very small. This change though will let a new player get into a broader range of ships immediately (or when he has the ISK).

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#196 - 2015-09-26 02:50:28 UTC
Avvy wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
There is no harm in applying the 350k to all past, present and future characters.


Yeah, there would be no harm at all.

I suspect CCP doesn't want to do it because the last time free sp was given for downtime things didn't appear to go smoothly for some people, which would have generated support tickets. So I'd say they're trying to avoid that this time.

Of course it would be fairer if everyone got it, not surprising some vets say otherwise it, wouldn't even really effect them at all.



Agreed. If they gave it too me, I might forget to distribute it for days even weeks. The butthurt coming from players older than me is amazing. Talk about needing to HTFU. Roll

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#197 - 2015-09-26 03:05:25 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Tippia:

Are you for, or against, adding 350k SP to new characters?


I'll save Tippia the sixteen paragraphs and just say:

Yes.

"Yes" is not an answer which fits the syntax of the question.

Correct syntax is either for or against.

Yes/no is not an answer.

Maekchu wrote:
I also don't envy the homeless, when someone throws them a quarter.


Why should new characters, created after a certain date, have more starting SP than characters created before that date?


Dude she is pointing out that Tippia can be impossible to argue with. You can present a nearly universally accepted concept and Tippia will say, "No, I do not agree that water is wet, because :reasons:." In short, Val'Dore is poking fun at Tippia...you just missed the joke.

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Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#198 - 2015-09-26 04:13:48 UTC
Tippia wrote:
As an '07 player, I've been given somewhere in the region of 7M SP for free — if a new player gets 350k more from the start (that are put into sensible skills), then booo hoooo. Lol


…I'll suppose I'll take those free SP as compensation for not having skilled Tippia for a year because I ran out of interesting skills to train.


A Year?? You should've trained all Supers or Titans.........just in case CCP actually makes them useful.
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#199 - 2015-09-26 04:22:58 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
I think he's arguing that at only 5 months in, he's still considered new.

He is still new.

If you've been playing eve for under 3 years, you're a n00b.

That's just how the game is.

Don't worry OP, in 2 years we'll be able to finally start playing EvE


I'll say that to be fair, CCP should give this 400k SP bonus to all players under a year old. Because like you said, they're still considered to be new.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#200 - 2015-09-26 04:54:32 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:
Tippia wrote:
As an '07 player, I've been given somewhere in the region of 7M SP for free — if a new player gets 350k more from the start (that are put into sensible skills), then booo hoooo. Lol


…I'll suppose I'll take those free SP as compensation for not having skilled Tippia for a year because I ran out of interesting skills to train.


A Year?? You should've trained all Supers or Titans.........just in case CCP actually makes them useful.


Forget it, it's a Tippia post they often lack coherency or logic. For example Tippia is going on about how handing out 350,000 to new players who are 6 months or a year old is a devastating precedent, but somehow Tippia got 7 million SP for "free" and that's okay nor setting a precedent.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

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