EVE General Discussion

Just don't go halfway. No +5 implants: hardcode +5 to all stats into any character made that day.

Don't forget the permanent cerebral accelerator!

increased training speed for a limited time, allowing said newbie to find his own path. That sounds really awesome (we've had it before) and it would work out great, but Malcanis' law would also apply and we'd see even more catalyst alts ganking the living **** out of everything.

Tiericide consolidates un- or rarely used meta levels. Since all meta items allways have the same skill requirements as Meta 0, tiericide does absolutely nothing towards skill requirements.

Or did I miss something?

They did this, but took it away as older players were using it to get well trained alts in very, very short time frames. Like a drake pilot with all the recommended certificates in something like 10 days.

I would like to see 350,000 freely allocatable skill points to be awarded to all existing players that are more than two weeks old at the time of patch.

Meh.

As I reflect on my personal career and how only now after four years I am at the point where I can fly most of the stuff I want to fly well, I would actually give new players 10 M SP to allocate when they sub.

In contrast, I distinctly remember my first six months to a year of initial training to be an utter ballache, and a negative experience. I wouldn't wish that on anyone else, and will continue to recommend all new players simply buy an 80m+ toon on the character bazaar, than go through the erectile dysfunction hell of the initial years of EvE SP accumulation.

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Couldn't agree more - although I would like to see skill point 'unlocks' that require you to do the different things in the game as a form of playing catch-up, obviously limited to certain skills - no need to make those 10M, or 5M, or whatever SP overly useful for alts in the form of cap skills, battleship skills, cyno etc.

For example:

Ten solo kills, racial frig 5. 100 warps through HS/LS/NS/WHs, WDO 5.


I don't think most people here even know how utterly ******* **** it is to be new - you can't even warp around in a shuttle on a new character without dropping out of warp due to cap.

If they really want to make that 350K SP matter, they should not dole the SP out automatically from the first moment.

Let it be part of the NPE where the players must hit certain milestones in order to get that SP bonus. This separates out the "just rolling an alt for XXX" versus the "I'm a noob and have no clue" players.

If it's 400K SP, what would said SP be in? Frigates?

Let the players have to complete the tutorial missions first, and add some special missions to reward those SP where, tied into the tutorials, the players will know what to do with all that SP while they get it. Give it to them in chunks of 50K SP that the players can then simply apply to their skills in much the same manner that we apply refunded SP.

This would give new players a feel for what they want to do first and some education on how SP are applied and for what they are used. It would solve the problem of 400K SP in "something" or "everything" as well as the "I put all my allotted new SP into frigates but now I want battle cruisers" or something like that.

So while it's good to start them out with 400K SP, it's foolish to just allot it in their skills blindly. Make the new players have to go through the tutorials and milestones to earn them as a means of ensuring they do the tutorials and have a feel for what to do with them while letting them put the SP where they think they need them most.

Otherwise, if it's the same old same old, it's still going to be "grind while waiting" or worse, get sold on PVE where their long term (too long) goal is PVP but ended up putting their SP into PVE.

SP handout is more broken, removes time for decisions which would otherwise amount to learning of the game better. I don't think of the accelerator as broken, but vets taking more advantage of it compared to a newbie, sure, as like in every part of the game. Also, something the vet can do that likely the newbie cant do is plug in very expensive implants off the market then let the character bake in station until the crust is golden brown.

So even without the accelerator, it's still broken (in that sense) as the vet has the advantage with new characters, as far as skill training. So they all get one that is indestructible for a month from character creation, seems to be of more advantage than a disadvantage for a newbie. That would be the better rout anyway, CCP seems to do what they want with newbie introduction anyway, so they'll just get the SP injection I'm sure. Just an academic discussion at this point.


I just think he's being an honest troll unlike some.
"oh think of the newbies!" as a vet rolls yet another alt with improved SP.
Watevaaah

Sure, that is yet another better idea than just a straight handout. A straight handout is just unimaginative, a bland function, no real benefit to the learning curve that will still remain.