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Hey CCP; Why are you re-releasing "uniques" ? Gold Magnate / Silver
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#81 - 2015-09-27 04:32:29 UTC
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
Chribba wrote:
As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.

EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".

Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.

/c

The point Chribba makes is a prudent one.

Only if you believe that history is lessened by the same prize being given out for the same tournament.
In my case I believe this actually enhances EVE History, by making it more relevant and causing players to care more about the Tournament ships. They will still be wildly rare so any losses of them will be worthy of note.

The only relevant question is Limited vs Special, and since CCP didn't specifically specify limited at the time in an official communication the default is always special, so CCP are not going 'against their word' in this matter, no matter what people might cry about.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#82 - 2015-09-27 07:20:50 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
Chribba wrote:
As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.

EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".

Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.

/c

The point Chribba makes is a prudent one.

Only if you believe that history is lessened by the same prize being given out for the same tournament.
In my case I believe this actually enhances EVE History, by making it more relevant and causing players to care more about the Tournament ships. They will still be wildly rare so any losses of them will be worthy of note.

The only relevant question is Limited vs Special, and since CCP didn't specifically specify limited at the time in an official communication the default is always special, so CCP are not going 'against their word' in this matter, no matter what people might cry about.


It's almost as if you're making up :logic: to make it sound reasonable, almost...
Verstal
Incredibuilders United
#83 - 2015-09-27 13:28:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Verstal
Tyrrax Thorrk you have known CCP longer then any one, the people that made those claims no longer work at CCP, you know this. So trying to hold the new people accountable for promises made 10 years ago is a little silly, all it is a 3D model that was remade and almost never seen by anyone in the game. They have lots of content like this always thought it was a waste, let us buy everything no body cares about the history or fabric of Eve storylines these days, they need anything they can find to spark peoples interest, content never seen is content wasted. Also think about all the skins they can sell at least 4. Lol
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#84 - 2015-09-27 14:52:07 UTC
It's still the same company , guarantees made by devs back then still bind them as far as I'm concerned, 12 years not 10 btw :)
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2015-09-27 16:12:38 UTC
Chribba wrote:
As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.

EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".

Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.

/c


What died long ago will be nothing like what they put in.

All these ships have been revamped to hell and gone - targeting ranges, fittings, power grid, drones, weapons, lows, mids & highs...

So it seems the only thing that is bothering people is the reuse of the name. So they simply rename it slightly and then these complaints can go away. Call it golden, silvered... whatever. It won't be the same ship config as before. Not with all the changes that have happened to ships.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#86 - 2015-09-27 17:32:59 UTC
Mocam wrote:
Chribba wrote:
As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.

EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".

Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.

/c


What died long ago will be nothing like what they put in.

All these ships have been revamped to hell and gone - targeting ranges, fittings, power grid, drones, weapons, lows, mids & highs...

So it seems the only thing that is bothering people is the reuse of the name. So they simply rename it slightly and then these complaints can go away. Call it golden, silvered... whatever. It won't be the same ship config as before. Not with all the changes that have happened to ships.


If you don't seem to care, why would you want them back?
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2015-09-27 20:47:17 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Chribba wrote:
As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.

EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".

Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.

/c


Very much agreed. CCP don't do this.

Honestly I'm feeling the opposite here. The use of a historic and storied prize elevates this event from just another mini-alliance tournament with RP elements. Changing the prize for this reason cheapens the idea of this event and the way the empire should/would consistently reward participants.

Realistically the way people felt regarding the 1st gold magnate won't be retroactively changed and in the eyes of most I'd bet history lends additional value to the return of it to the game, especially when done in this manner. Further, with that history alive the potential for it to be deepened actually exists.
Vollhov
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#88 - 2015-09-27 21:06:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Vollhov
But to all of us demonstrated Navy Abaddon.
Give him the winner.
And here is we will not give. (Warning !, a bad gesture)

Rejoices in the Gold Magnate. Twisted
Jamyl R.I.P = EVE R.I.P

End of Time. I'm not fanatic, I'm just a servant by Her Majesty the Empress Jamyl Sarum I. It's time to leave this world to me. YC111 to YC117.12.10 20:00
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#89 - 2015-09-27 21:39:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Chribba wrote:
As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.

EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".

Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.

/c


Very much agreed. CCP don't do this.

Honestly I'm feeling the opposite here. The use of a historic and storied prize elevates this event from just another mini-alliance tournament with RP elements. Changing the prize for this reason cheapens the idea of this event and the way the empire should/would consistently reward participants.

Realistically the way people felt regarding the 1st gold magnate won't be retroactively changed and in the eyes of most I'd bet history lends additional value to the return of it to the game, especially when done in this manner. Further, with that history alive the potential for it to be deepened actually exists.


That's some fancy words you're trying to use there, let me give you a very basic reply:

Why would you agree to a reskinned old ship as a new prize to a new tournament rather than an actual new ship?

Because it saves CCP some time or is it because you're a not-have and more than anything else you, and everyone else in this thread, is so full of jealousy that you'd rather see something taken away from folks who DO have... or had, at any cost. I'm a not-have but at the same time I'm mature enough to realise that it being out of grasp is fine.

You're all hilariously jealous, like 5 year olds.
Vollhov
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#90 - 2015-09-27 22:19:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Vollhov
Gregor Parud wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Chribba wrote:
As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.

EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".

Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.

/c


Very much agreed. CCP don't do this.

Honestly I'm feeling the opposite here. The use of a historic and storied prize elevates this event from just another mini-alliance tournament with RP elements. Changing the prize for this reason cheapens the idea of this event and the way the empire should/would consistently reward participants.

Realistically the way people felt regarding the 1st gold magnate won't be retroactively changed and in the eyes of most I'd bet history lends additional value to the return of it to the game, especially when done in this manner. Further, with that history alive the potential for it to be deepened actually exists.


That's some fancy words you're trying to use there, let me give you a very basic reply:

Why would you agree to a reskinned old ship as a new prize to a new tournament rather than an actual new ship?

Because it saves CCP some time or is it because you're a not-have and more than anything else you, and everyone else in this thread, is so full of jealousy that you'd rather see something taken away from folks who DO have... or had, at any cost. I'm a not-have but at the same time I'm mature enough to realise that it being out of grasp is fine.


It seems that we take at the time the CCP?
Or maybe they just should not have to hurry?
Yes, and do not touch the Empress.
And just hold domestic championship in each state.
Where would be able to participate, each RP player.
For example at the Amarr, among the royal of families were the race.
But is not present it was necessary to touched.
Even Reward can not come up.
They give junk.
Jamyl R.I.P = EVE R.I.P
Quote:
You're all hilariously jealous, like 5 year olds.

5 year old boys were crying when they asked CCP to replace "insane" Empress.
It was Incorrect's for them.

End of Time. I'm not fanatic, I'm just a servant by Her Majesty the Empress Jamyl Sarum I. It's time to leave this world to me. YC111 to YC117.12.10 20:00
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
#91 - 2015-09-27 22:24:12 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:


Why would you agree to a reskinned old ship as a new prize to a new tournament rather than an actual new ship?



But it's not a new tournament. It is the same kind of tournament as the last one, with the same reward.
Vollhov
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#92 - 2015-09-27 22:29:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Vollhov
Utremi Fasolasi wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:


Why would you agree to a reskinned old ship as a new prize to a new tournament rather than an actual new ship?



But it's not a new tournament. It is the same kind of tournament as the last one, with the same reward.



That's right it's just the replay.
And the new can not come up.
That with the plot can not come up with that with the reward.

End of Time. I'm not fanatic, I'm just a servant by Her Majesty the Empress Jamyl Sarum I. It's time to leave this world to me. YC111 to YC117.12.10 20:00
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#93 - 2015-09-27 22:31:14 UTC
And you're all using logic a 5 year old would use to try and get that cookie. It's so obvious and hilarious, no one is falling for it.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2015-09-27 22:38:05 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
That's some fancy words you're trying to use there, let me give you a very basic reply:

Why would you agree to a reskinned old ship as a new prize to a new tournament rather than an actual new ship?

Because it saves CCP some time or is it because you're a not-have and more than anything else you, and everyone else in this thread, is so full of jealousy that you'd rather see something taken away from folks who DO have... or had, at any cost. I'm a not-have but at the same time I'm mature enough to realise that it being out of grasp is fine.
Considering I don't have a single character that is even eligible for selection the prize is still well outside of my grasp. Given where I am now there is not nor was there ever anything I could have done to predict the return of this event or the prize. There was never anything in it for me personally. I knew this when I made that post.

Further there was never anything I could take from anyone else. I can't take the history of the original gold magnate. Nor will releasing a new one, which was the point.

As for the reason for the agreement, as stated, it's because it's a prize tied to the event. That makes sense logically. It's not about time saving (more time would have been saved by foregoing a rebalance) but about creating something of an in game consistency.

I get that others may value that differently or not at all.

Gregor Parud wrote:
You're all hilariously jealous, like 5 year olds.
That's some delicious irony considering your tone.

You claim maturity but at the first sign of disagreement go on a rant fueled by your own delusions of other peoples intent. Hilarious indeed.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#95 - 2015-09-27 22:55:30 UTC
again, many fancy words but all we're hearing is "someone has something I can't have so lets try and make sure he can't have it either".


There is NO LOGIC whatsoever to reuse old special edition ships for a new tournament for the exact same reason that they make new prizes every tournament. Otherwise they could have used the exact same prizes every time but they didn't. You can type :words: all you want but it just makes you look more like a 5 year old that wants his cookie.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2015-09-27 23:05:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Gregor Parud wrote:
again, many fancy words but all we're hearing is "someone has something I can't have so lets try and make sure he can't have it either".


There is NO LOGIC whatsoever to reuse old special edition ships for a new tournament for the exact same reason that they make new prizes every tournament. Otherwise they could have used the exact same prizes every time but they didn't. You can type :words: all you want but it just makes you look more like a 5 year old that wants his cookie.
We've only had one prior instance of this tournament and don't have another NPC driven selection/competition to my knowledge. So effectively they DID use the same prizes for every time this happened.

This event sets that precedent and that decision and the reasoning are CCP's not mine.

So is the logic now that CCP themselves are collectively a "5 year old that wants his cookie"?

What even is this "cookie"?
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#97 - 2015-09-27 23:09:37 UTC
Who cares what the entitled trillionaires of EvE think, they're huge reasons the game sucks.

Rerelease the gold magnate, it'll be a great addition to the game.

Look at how much content in the form of entitlement tears just mentioning it's release has generated.

CCP should make a youtube video of them laughing at all the crybabies squirting tears onto these forums just to highlight how unimportant their selfish opinions really are.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#98 - 2015-09-27 23:14:43 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Who cares what the entitled trillionaires of EvE think, they're huge reasons the game sucks.

Rerelease the gold magnate, it'll be a great addition to the game.

Look at how much content in the form of entitlement tears just mentioning it's release has generated.

CCP should make a youtube video of them laughing at all the crybabies squirting tears onto these forums just to highlight how unimportant their selfish opinions really are.


How will it be a great addition?
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#99 - 2015-09-27 23:15:29 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
again, many fancy words but all we're hearing is "someone has something I can't have so lets try and make sure he can't have it either".


There is NO LOGIC whatsoever to reuse old special edition ships for a new tournament for the exact same reason that they make new prizes every tournament. Otherwise they could have used the exact same prizes every time but they didn't. You can type :words: all you want but it just makes you look more like a 5 year old that wants his cookie.
We've only had one prior instance of this tournament and don't have another NPC driven selection/competition to my knowledge. So effectively they DID use the same prizes for every time this happened.

This event sets that precedent and that decision and the reasoning are CCP's not mine.

So is the logic now that CCP themselves are collectively a "5 year old that wants his cookie"?

What even is this "cookie"?


Nice try, but still just :words:
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#100 - 2015-09-27 23:24:03 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Who cares what the entitled trillionaires of EvE think, they're huge reasons the game sucks.

Rerelease the gold magnate, it'll be a great addition to the game.

Look at how much content in the form of entitlement tears just mentioning it's release has generated.

CCP should make a youtube video of them laughing at all the crybabies squirting tears onto these forums just to highlight how unimportant their selfish opinions really are.


How will it be a great addition?


My maniacal laughter will be so forceful it will reverberate through all fiber optic lines and manifest itself into everyone's eve clients