EVE General Discussion

The answer is of course “true”.


Also…
…this bit jumped out (due to the issue priming in other threads), and it immediately made me highly sceptical of everything the OP says.

If PLEX aren't on the market, there is no profit to be had — for anyone — since you can't sell them. Turning it into an NPC good is a hideously bad idea since then they become a pretty massive ISK faucet that no longer responds properly to market demands. The idea of putting them in the NES is particularly mind-boggling because that means you have to take a PLEX, turn it into AUR, then use that AUR to pay for a PLEX. What is that supposed to accomplish?!

This “little guy” rhetoric is so woefully misplaced it borders on the nonsensical. It's not any more (or less) difficult for a small trader to make a profit than it is for a large one, and as long as we're talking about the market, it is — indeed should be — functionally impossible to give the “little guy” an upper hand. Anything he can do, the large-volume trader can do at a larger scale. The entire request is just so fundamentally confused about every detail involved.

Now I have to read through the rest to figure out if it is as self-contradictory and misinformed as this part.

Why would anyone read all that???

You should know.



It's never been PVE vs PVP. Everyone knows me knows I'm a rabid PVEr and pvp is a sideline. I wish there was a counter, because I'm dead sure I've killed more NPCs in my time than most of the people who complain about EVE PVE.

No, it's "I want a thempark experiance" people vs the "sandbox" nature of EVE.
EVE PVE (which is sandbox style "figure out new and better ways to do it while fending off PVPrs" PVE) is fine for people who like what it offers. What you and others want is "tell me a story/make me feel EPIC/give me IMMERSION" themepark PVE that EVE has never had and CCP will never be good at providing.

PvE in EVE is not fine. Its simple, boring and has no purpose, except earning ISK. What do you do with all the ISK you earned in PvE? You PvP and loose it. Without PvP, PvE would have no purpose.

It always bothered me that the PvE in EVE is so simple and 1-dimensional. EVE has the reputation of being the most complex MMO, yet most of the PvE consists of "destroy X enemies".

You prove my point. You don't enjoy EVE PVE because you are not personally suited to enjoy EVE PVE.

I guess because I do enjoy it, I must be doing it wrong? If you want to know something shocking, let me tell you, I know people who enjoy MINING in EVE. How crazy is that?

EVE PVE is for people who like several kinds of things:

-Tinkerers/People who like Engineering problems: For me, the most fun is making a PVE ship fit that can PVE and survive small PVP encounters. With this Mach fit, I've escaped 3 hot drops in the last 2 years. I've created Drone + Missiles + Warp Core Stabs + MJD Armageddon and Typhoon fits that laugh at hot drops. I've tinkered with MJD/deploy-able MJD lvl 5 mission raven and mach fits. I've PVE'd with Ancillary Booster/Kite fits in low sec. i've tried my hand at speed tanked Kite PVE in wormholes (haven't cracked that one yet). And so forth.

- People who like to gain pve rewards while avoiding or frustrating PVPers. NOTHING feels better to folks like me than 'getting away with it' . It's like being Indiana Jones in a space ship. Sure, sometimes you will die, but that's the game.

I once pulled 1.2 billion isk out of a Maze with bad guys on d-scan probing me down. The kicker was that 2 of them died to the rats i left in the 1st 4 rooms as 'guards' (using a mobile depot, I used warp core stabs in the 1st 4 rooms to avoid killing the pointing NPCs).

- People who find PVEing relaxing: Sure, I mostly "Indiana Jones" it, but sometimes saving the damsel for the millionth time of pushing back yet another high sec incursion is nice after a long day of dealing with stupid people.


You don't seem like any of the above types, which is probably why you can't see the good in EVE PVE. But that's a personal preference thing man, it's not universal. EVE PVE is fine as it is. Definitely better than it was when I started in 2007.

In all fairness, for a moderator to say that is crossing the line a little bit. I understand that you're making a joke, but...come on. Don't troll.

4 posts man.

FOUR POSTS.

2468 words

In arial 10, it fills 3 pages.

Maybe it was just a sign of how much it really was needed. Arguably, when the mods says you need a TL:DR, it's probably because you really need one and not the usual lazy people being lazy.

It's like a hierarchy of TL:DR requirment based on who ask for it.

The lazy always do if you go over 8 lines because :effort:

The ones used to raeding a lot comes second because your idea is kind of on the long side and discussion might get lost in all the long winded wording if a good or bad idea.

Then comes the ISD. At that point, it's an understanding that something was just too much. Even the moderation team think you kinda went too far because they know THEY will have to clean the potential mess.

At the end, if the DEVS have to ask for it, it means you went full ******. There is no hope for your thread and you might as well have it closed because the issue is no longer about if it will get derailed but when.

Anyway, I'm off to work now so will pick this up in a bit. Fly safe all! o7

From a new player's perspective, who's sub will lapse on Oct. 1st and will not be renewed, there is absolutely nothing CCP can do at this point to significantly increase its subs. Short of adding massive new features like those that will be featured in Star Citizen (Arena, Ground Combat, Social Zones etc.) and completely revamping the UI. The game provides an inferior PvP/PvE experience compared to other more modern games. I've tried as many of the different things to do in game that I could and was not entertained enough.
What is does provide is a playground for hardcore RP'ers. My feeling is that the game is completely run by RP'ers and if you're not into RP, then good luck trying to have fun. But again, the straight up PvP and PvE is terrible on it's own. If you're not into playing "Alliance Wars" or "Corporate Espionage" or whatever, well, RP as something else for fun because the game itself does not provide fun.
The game at it's core is not new player friendly. Corps, especially new player corps, like EVE Uni, Brave, Karma etc. are not new player friendly. I don't think any of those people have a clue how terrible their corps are and how ridiculous there recruitment processes and applications are. Trying to interact with them is like interacting with the California Department of Motor Vehicles or insert other bad RL goverment/corp entity here. I've honestly never experience anything like it in the half a dozen MMORPGs I've played over the years and that's not a good thing.
But anyway, MMOs are cheap to run and very profitable even at their worst so I expect EVE to drag on for many years to come with a slowly declining player base. Hell even old crap like Champions Online is still getting new content.

I'm pretty bored at work right now, so I'll tell you a story about my FW experience yesterday as an example of how boring this **** is and how the players are ass hats. I joined an open public fleet. Joined their public TS3 server. Introduced myself on comms. Went into the system, was told "Go Here" "Ok, I'm here". Orbited around a capture point for 10 minutes, nothing happens. That one finished. Went and orbited around another capture point, waited 15 minutes. While I waited, I WENT AND COOKED MY LUNCH! Came back, nothing is happening. Go to another capture point. One Frigate warps in and he's dead in less than 20 seconds. A three on one fight. No challenge.
Here's the interesting thing. Someone comes into fleet chat in game and asks who I am. They accuse me a being a spy for some dude we'll call him "Arthur". I say, "I'm a new player, this is my first time trying out FW". "My name is X on TS3, I'm not a spy and I don't know who Arthur is". They say, well we'll kick you anyway. Five minutes later, I'm kicked from the public TS3 channel. But not banned. lol. Ten seconds later I re-join the channel and ask why the heck I was kicked. "Your in-game name doesn't match your TS3 handle perfectly. It's suspicious." "Um, ok. I use this TS3 for other games too, it's an old handle. And actually the name is similar. Paranoia much?" "No, we're not paranoid, Arthur is listening. Arthur is always trying to spy on us". Whatever buddy. Went to another capture point and orbited for another ten minutes.
Fleet decided they're going to take on a group of gate campers of enemy faction and decide they're all going to use X ship. I don't have the skills to pilot X ship so am left behind at capture point alone. A faction ship that I have no chance against warps into the capture point. I call for assistance on comms and am told to just run away. Yay!

TL;DR: EVE: Online sucks. For hardcore RP'ers only. Anyone not into RP'ing can **** off.