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Internet honor and other such non-sense

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Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#41 - 2015-09-21 18:21:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Saeger1737
Nuke and loot

And then pod him if he got lippy

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Selusa Secundus
Beyond Remorse.
#42 - 2015-09-21 22:16:25 UTC
I flip a coin.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#43 - 2015-09-21 22:36:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Leto Thule
Dato Koppla wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Gary Bell wrote:
You all are lame get isk pop him then get more isk and pop pod

If you miss pod set up disco for pod 2 jumps away

Alt

You drop points after isk has been sent

Then set up disco to pop him on the way hightailing it back to highsec

double the profit



E Honor is for those who "Prefer the same sex"



It's not about E honor. It's a business transaction. If I expect other to pay me boatloads of ISK, I'll honor the deal.

Why didn't you tell me I preferred the same sex before I got married? May have saved me lots of money.


I do agree with honouring ransoms but thinking of it as a business transaction is foolish. In a business transaction there is some kind of leverage or something that guarantees the transaction. In a ransom the other party is powerless and ransomer can do as he pleases with no repercussions whatsoever except for.........wait for it........E-Honor. So it is infact, all about E-Honor.

I don't do ransoms anymore despite being a pirate though. I used to ransom pods when I first started out but the whole ransoming culture in pirates in eve has died down especially in lowsec. Nowadays if you hold someones pod for the ransom, they are busy unplugging all their implants while you negotiate since nobody expects their pod to live after getting pointed anymore.

However it isn't completely dead. Check out Zarvox Toral (spelling?) on reddit/twitch/eve. He managed to ransom an Anshar in a belt in nullsec while flying a Comet despite not even having enough ammo to kill him. The mere threat was enough for the Anshar pilot to pay him a couple bill.


No, you shitehawk, its not foolish. If I want to think of it as a business transaction its a ******* business transaction. How much more leverage do you need? I don't do it for honor, I do it to make money.

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Mary Jaine
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2015-09-21 23:49:27 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
If the ransom has been offered, agreed upon, and paid... you honor the deal.
It's just good customer service, as there may be a day when you have them in the same position again.


Gotta agree with this.
Marlin Spikes
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2015-09-22 00:13:50 UTC
LOL. thanks everyone for their input. I love these posts.

Here's my answer. The following are all appropriate depending on the circumstances:
A. Drop points and warp away
B. Drop points and immediately re-engage (i.e., starting a new engagement with this individual)
C. Kill him with fire and make fun of him in local

the correct answer depends on how the target reacts/behaves. If they are maintaining a good attitude (i.e., this is just a game), honor the deal. If they seem to be trying to pull a fast one, don't feel sorry for them.

When we recently grabbed a providence, we decided to let him go (i.e., Drop Points and warp away), but there was a part of me that felt really strange dropping that point.

After we warped away, I convo'd the providence pilot, "Never pay ransoms. Most people will not honor them. You got lucky that the four of us play nice."

I'm glad to see that others are honoring the ransoms.

My advice to those being ransomed: "Die with pride!" Let the loot fairy sort the details.

Bombers Rule!!!
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#46 - 2015-09-22 00:16:25 UTC
Mary Jaine wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
If the ransom has been offered, agreed upon, and paid... you honor the deal.
It's just good customer service, as there may be a day when you have them in the same position again.


Gotta agree with this.

I once ransomed the same RNI in the same week for 750 a pop each time. The first he wasn't so keen but paid. The second it took me a total of 10 seconds to get the isk. I always honor cause repeat customers are the best Lol

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Valkin Mordirc
#47 - 2015-09-22 03:02:04 UTC
It depends on the Target. If he's being on overall douche bag, I wouldn't honor the Ransom. But if he acts like normal person. I would happily let him go.
#DeleteTheWeak
Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#48 - 2015-09-22 04:00:23 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Gary Bell wrote:
You all are lame get isk pop him then get more isk and pop pod

If you miss pod set up disco for pod 2 jumps away

Alt

You drop points after isk has been sent

Then set up disco to pop him on the way hightailing it back to highsec

double the profit



E Honor is for those who "Prefer the same sex"



It's not about E honor. It's a business transaction. If I expect other to pay me boatloads of ISK, I'll honor the deal.

Why didn't you tell me I preferred the same sex before I got married? May have saved me lots of money.


I do agree with honouring ransoms but thinking of it as a business transaction is foolish. In a business transaction there is some kind of leverage or something that guarantees the transaction. In a ransom the other party is powerless and ransomer can do as he pleases with no repercussions whatsoever except for.........wait for it........E-Honor. So it is infact, all about E-Honor.

I don't do ransoms anymore despite being a pirate though. I used to ransom pods when I first started out but the whole ransoming culture in pirates in eve has died down especially in lowsec. Nowadays if you hold someones pod for the ransom, they are busy unplugging all their implants while you negotiate since nobody expects their pod to live after getting pointed anymore.

However it isn't completely dead. Check out Zarvox Toral (spelling?) on reddit/twitch/eve. He managed to ransom an Anshar in a belt in nullsec while flying a Comet despite not even having enough ammo to kill him. The mere threat was enough for the Anshar pilot to pay him a couple bill.


No, you shitehawk, its not foolish. If I want to think of it as a business transaction its a ******* business transaction. How much more leverage do you need? I don't do it for honor, I do it to make money.


How is killing them after you get your money not making you money? Cause that's what we're talking about, not the question if they pay you or not. They pay you, your money is made, you can now warp away with your money, or kill them, still with your money in tact.

So the reason you warp away is your E-Honor not because you do it to make money. Now of course not honouring your ransom will give you a reputation so the same person isn't going to pay twice, but Eve is massive, the likelihood of catching the same person for ransom again is highly unlikely, catching someone who has heard about your reputation for not honouring ransoms is even less likely.

I didn't think my point was hard to understand but apparently you're on a new level of stupid that I couldn't anticipate.
Faylee Freir
Abusing Game Mechanics
#49 - 2015-09-22 04:42:39 UTC
Very rarely do I honor ransoms. I like it this way. I've found that even if I had intentions of honoring it, people would be just as hesitant to trust... So if you can't beat 'em, join em'. No amount of people honoring ransoms is going to negate the negative stigma associated with ransoms.

HTFU
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#50 - 2015-09-22 05:11:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Leto Thule
Dato Koppla wrote:


I didn't think my point was hard to understand but apparently you're on a new level of stupid that I couldn't anticipate.


Awww. Peaches..... Don't say that we both know you don't mean it.

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Valkin Mordirc
#51 - 2015-09-22 06:08:56 UTC
Quote:
So the reason you warp away is your E-Honor not because you do it to make money. Now of course not honouring your ransom will give you a reputation so the same person isn't going to pay twice, but Eve is massive, the likelihood of catching the same person for ransom again is highly unlikely, catching someone who has heard about your reputation for not honouring ransoms is even less likely.



On a peer to peer basis yeah your right.


But for Mercenaries. Honoring ransom's and surrender's helps build relations, not only opening new opportunities but word will spread. 
#DeleteTheWeak
Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#52 - 2015-09-22 08:50:07 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Quote:
So the reason you warp away is your E-Honor not because you do it to make money. Now of course not honouring your ransom will give you a reputation so the same person isn't going to pay twice, but Eve is massive, the likelihood of catching the same person for ransom again is highly unlikely, catching someone who has heard about your reputation for not honouring ransoms is even less likely.



On a peer to peer basis yeah your right.


But for Mercenaries. Honoring ransom's and surrender's helps build relations, not only opening new opportunities but word will spread.


That may be true.

However I've never really seen any legit 'mercenaries' in Eve that fit the definition most people imagine. 90% of the 'mercenary' work in Eve is tradehub camping or some other form of camping like camping an enemy chokepoint. The other 10% is helping bash/defend poses/assets of groups that are incredibly weak to start with. Almost no mercs will take on a legit PvP corp for you even if the mercs have far more numbers/resources.
Mortlake
Republic Military School
#53 - 2015-09-22 10:41:39 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Tora Bushido wrote:
As long as they're not cross dressing and posting pictures, it's all fine by me.Big smile

This does not fit in with next months swimsuit comp. Just saying


Another swimsuit comp?

SQUEEEEEEE3EE!!1! <3 :3

Not excited at all but I''ll take manip requests now.

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Fybs
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2015-09-22 12:09:11 UTC
Mortlake wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Tora Bushido wrote:
As long as they're not cross dressing and posting pictures, it's all fine by me.Big smile

This does not fit in with next months swimsuit comp. Just saying


Another swimsuit comp?

SQUEEEEEEE3EE!!1! <3 :3

Not excited at all but I''ll take manip requests now.


Can I get a sneak preview before anyone else?

Don't confuse kindness with weakness.

Beware the hand of Fybs.

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Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#55 - 2015-09-22 12:09:16 UTC
Well, OP's original post is abit confuzzling.

I honor ransom's, but if it's a wartarget......I usually don't bother to ask for one.

Especially since I tell all my wartargets that for X amount of ISK (surrender offer) I will drop the dec and go away.

As for repeat customers, I once found a guy who loved to do L4's in lowsec in his Navy Apoc.

Being I was in mah Ishkur of Freaking Awesome, shenanigans occured. I asked for ransom, he paid me, I left.

He kinda freaked out, but it was funny.

About the same time next week, I find him in the same system, jumped him, he paid me again. I left again.

Week after that, as soon as I showed up in local he just offered to pay me a weekly tribute to leave him alone, which I accepted, of course.

So honoring the ransom does have its upside.

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And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#56 - 2015-09-22 12:27:21 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Quote:
So the reason you warp away is your E-Honor not because you do it to make money. Now of course not honouring your ransom will give you a reputation so the same person isn't going to pay twice, but Eve is massive, the likelihood of catching the same person for ransom again is highly unlikely, catching someone who has heard about your reputation for not honouring ransoms is even less likely.



On a peer to peer basis yeah your right.


But for Mercenaries. Honoring ransom's and surrender's helps build relations, not only opening new opportunities but word will spread.


That may be true.

However I've never really seen any legit 'mercenaries' in Eve that fit the definition most people imagine. 90% of the 'mercenary' work in Eve is tradehub camping or some other form of camping like camping an enemy chokepoint. The other 10% is helping bash/defend poses/assets of groups that are incredibly weak to start with. Almost no mercs will take on a legit PvP corp for you even if the mercs have far more numbers/resources.


Oh god. I see this shitehawk made a new nest.

A "mercenary" is someone that you hire to fight a battle that you either can't or won't. Sitting on trade hubs killing people who are too daft to use an alt during a dec is STILL a mercenary. You should write a dictionary, since you seem intent on defining things for others, peaches.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#57 - 2015-09-22 14:33:51 UTC
War targets are war targets. It's is a moral imperative that they be made to suffer the maximum loss you can inflict. If that was not the case you wouldnt be at war with them.

Situations other than warfare are at your discretion. Wars are not the place to pull punches.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#58 - 2015-09-22 14:44:04 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
War targets are war targets. It's is a moral imperative that they be made to suffer the maximum loss you can inflict. If that was not the case you wouldnt be at war with them.

Situations other than warfare are at your discretion. Wars are not the place to pull punches.

If I'm in losec or catch someone stupid in a flagging game in hisec, I'll try to ransom them. I most likely have no particular grievance with them and I'll just as gladly take ISK over a kill.

But if I've bothered wardeccing someone (or someone has bothered to wardec me), I'm not interested in their ISK, I'm only interested in seeing their stuff violenced. I won't offer or accept any ransom offers from war targets. Surrender offers, yes, depending on the circumstances, but usually only after some stuff has been violenced.

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Borg Alexandra
Cynosural Edge
#59 - 2015-09-22 17:34:26 UTC
Every 'merc' corps 'honor' ransoms. Err... 'honors'





PS. No they dont.
Mortlake
Republic Military School
#60 - 2015-09-22 18:20:27 UTC
Borg Alexandra wrote:
Every 'merc' corps 'honor' ransoms. Err... 'honors'





PS. No they dont.


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