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Arthur Aihaken
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#21 - 2015-09-20 15:59:08 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
For a Rattlesnake i'd recommend a Gecko over regular heavies, it's a much more effective use of the 50mb.

It has great DPS on paper - but it's omni-damage and you lose a lot transitioning between targets. Sentries, despite having less paper DPS - will still outperform Geckos.

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Forum Toon
Doomheim
#22 - 2015-09-20 17:03:10 UTC
ok I tried some Gila piloting with rank 1+3 on most missiles\drones skills and using navy mediums...

HOLY SH......

that ship....

it's just killing everything so fast.... and the drones are tanking better then most of the ships I've piloted so far.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#23 - 2015-09-20 17:05:54 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
As for drones taking damage whilst launched. That only happens with someone who doesn't understand drone mechanics launching them 'willy nilly' and doing nothing to manage threats and aggro.

As in a newer player not yet fully versed in the ways of the drones, or level 4's?
And this ignores the simple fact that there are missions and indeed NPC that WILL target drones the moment they are launched.

Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Kitty Bear wrote:
For a Rattlesnake i'd recommend a Gecko over regular heavies, it's a much more effective use of the 50mb.

It has great DPS on paper - but it's omni-damage and you lose a lot transitioning between targets. Sentries, despite having less paper DPS - will still outperform Geckos.

I have never understood the fanatical use and support for the Gecko. Yes in some very specific situations they are the best option, but overall for a mission pilot I cannot see any advantages to them, especially when their cost is considered.

Still wondering why someone would cripple themselves by using either heavies or a Gecko when the sentries are a far better option overall and can easily handle anything but the frigates and destroyers and the lights are a far better option for those anyway.

Going to repeat myself.
If you like your Gila then use it.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#24 - 2015-09-20 17:53:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Donnachadh wrote:
I have never understood the fanatical use and support for the Gecko. Yes in some very specific situations they are the best option, but overall for a mission pilot I cannot see any advantages to them, especially when their cost is considered.

Still wondering why someone would cripple themselves by using either heavies or a Gecko when the sentries are a far better option overall and can easily handle anything but the frigates and destroyers and the lights are a far better option for those anyway.

To some extent I think players are looking to justify the cost. They are cool - and equivalent to launching an assault frigate that applies cruiser damage. The caveat is that they are slow - so unless your targets are point-blank range (Damsel), you easily lose 50% or more of the potential DPS just flying around. And if you let them stray too far and they get scrammed - they're basically hooped. I agree - Wardens for long-range and Gardes for short to mid-range. Even if the specific damage type isn't ideal, when sentries are shooting frigates and cruisers it doesn't really matter.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#25 - 2015-09-20 20:02:03 UTC
lets drop sentries and then mwd 50km to the gate. Oh brilliant! my drones are now 50km behind me. Or you sit on your drones and then mwd 50km doing no damage.

most of the time yes you do want to use sentries, but the rattlesnake has plenty of room to bring a gecko, and it is a nice tool to have. for missions in brawl range, or when you have to travel.

Newbs used to force their drakes into running level 4s, now it seems even easier with the gila.

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Forum Toon
Doomheim
#26 - 2015-09-20 20:20:01 UTC
I tried both sentry and brawler fits in the past.
I found the brawler gursitas ships amazing dps wise with good tank.
once you kill the major damage dealers in the pocket you can move toward the gate killing all those ships flying toward you.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#27 - 2015-09-21 03:19:32 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
lets drop sentries and then mwd 50km to the gate. Oh brilliant! my drones are now 50km behind me. Or you sit on your drones and then mwd 50km doing no damage.

Accepted. My counter would be that you launch sentries and kill big stuff, then pull them and use lights and missiles to get the rest while you move to the next gate or whatever.

And wondering if you have to wait for sentries to kill big stuff and then move to gate while you finish the rest, or wait for the slow Gecko to fly all over hell and back what is the real difference? Granted in some missions the Gecko while moving would be faster but in most of them I do not think there would be any significant time difference.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#28 - 2015-09-21 04:43:11 UTC
fair enough, I haven't really spent enough time in the ship to know. Although once a gecko gets into a pocket of NPCs it has 7.9km optimal and 8.4km optimal with double optimal range scripted tracking links. 6km+5km without, but 1.497 tracking. so once it gets there it is putting out a ton of damage, and can volley most frigs. not sure how much of that is overkill, without any benefits from tracking links the gecko seemed to graze frigs when it hit, even though it killed them in one shot. I mostly drop the gecko to clean up ships that are near by to minimize travel time.

although a mwd rattle is still pretty slow. I'm half tempted to fly it more often to see how it does, but just can't take myself away from the mach. anything else just feels bleh.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#29 - 2015-09-21 04:45:50 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
the mach. anything else just feels bleh.

I understand the Machariel used to have missiles...

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#30 - 2015-09-21 05:17:26 UTC
In my old eft file I have a fit with 2 launchers on it, however the window says -2 launchers, so I'm not 100% on if it had 6 turrets/2 launchers, or 7 turrets 2 launchers.

looking at my even older version of EFT, it had 6 turret hard points and 4 missile hard points. heh, this version of EFT doesn't have implants, but polycarbons give mass reductions if only I could add snakes and mind linked gang implants. So it had implants, but all the ship bonuses were to guns.

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2015-09-21 05:37:58 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I agree - Wardens for long-range and Gardes for short to mid-range.


I prefer bouncers for long range as they respond better to omnis. Also I mission at Lanngisi a lot and fight a lot of Angels.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2015-09-21 08:41:05 UTC
some nice discussion, and several varied opinions, but at the end of the day

if your objective is just killing everything on-grid
a drone ship works as well as any other choice

if your objective is maximizing isk/hr ratio's
a drone ship is the wrong ship
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#33 - 2015-09-21 13:56:43 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
lets drop sentries and then mwd 50km to the gate. Oh brilliant! my drones are now 50km behind me. Or you sit on your drones and then mwd 50km doing no damage.

most of the time yes you do want to use sentries, but the rattlesnake has plenty of room to bring a gecko, and it is a nice tool to have. for missions in brawl range, or when you have to travel.

Newbs used to force their drakes into running level 4s, now it seems even easier with the gila.


TBH, the Gila has always been able to do L4s. I used one 5 years ago when it used 5 heavies or sentries. It's passive tank hasn't really changed that much.

Although, I prefer the Ishtar for L4 mission running. Is it optimal? No, but with proper drone management I don't have to pay for ammo.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#34 - 2015-09-21 14:00:38 UTC
The gila shines as a ship that is able to run most lv4 missions on a relatively low skilled character (dont need HML, Heavies or sentries or battleship hulls/guns) that is can use while it's training for a proper mission boat.

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Yolli Sly
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2015-09-23 12:44:02 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
The gila shines as a ship that is able to run most lv4 missions on a relatively low skilled character (dont need HML, Heavies or sentries or battleship hulls/guns) that is can use while it's training for a proper mission boat.


This


If you sell 1 PLEX, you can fly Gila after one week training.

Gila, according to me, is most flexible ship in the game for now (current re-balance). Gila can be fit active or passive or mixed mod, brawler, sniper, missile or mixed or pure drone boat, lvl 2-4, for exploration, hi, low, PvP etc.

Gila, hands down, pays every ISK spend and shines more and more with every SP invested in.
Forum Toon
Doomheim
#36 - 2015-11-14 21:09:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Forum Toon
BUMP

update,
I hade few weeks break from eve due to real life issues and I came back today... meanwhile various skills upgraded so I took my gila for a spin on L4.

using T2 stuff and faction mods (those cheap ones which cost less hen 25m each) I did Cargo delivery (serpentis) and Guristas extravaganza. both L4.
I'm using rlml II with fury missiles.

and I have to say this ship is a beast... It tanked better then any bs I've did L4s with... this ship just annihilated everything from BS (using drones mainly) to small frigates (using the rlml). also any cruiser scale ship can't survive against the gila more then few seconds.. even BC.

wow this is fun.....

done in timely manner and I don't have T2 drones yet still using faction ones, can't imagine how superb it will be with maxed skills and t2 drones.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#37 - 2015-11-14 21:14:34 UTC
Yup, Gila is one insane boat no doubt.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#38 - 2015-11-15 01:54:45 UTC
Forum Toon wrote:
BUMP

update,
I hade few weeks break from eve due to real life issues and I came back today... meanwhile various skills upgraded so I took my gila for a spin on L4.

using T2 stuff and faction mods (those cheap ones which cost less hen 25m each) I did Cargo delivery (serpentis) and Guristas extravaganza. both L4.
I'm using rlml II with fury missiles.

and I have to say this ship is a beast... It tanked better then any bs I've did L4s with... this ship just annihilated everything from BS (using drones mainly) to small frigates (using the rlml). also any cruiser scale ship can't survive against the gila more then few seconds.. even BC.

wow this is fun.....

done in timely manner and I don't have T2 drones yet still using faction ones, can't imagine how superb it will be with maxed skills and t2 drones.


Your Gila has been targeted by CCP's nerf bat.......
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#39 - 2015-11-15 03:40:18 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
lets drop sentries and then mwd 50km to the gate. Oh brilliant! my drones are now 50km behind me. Or you sit on your drones and then mwd 50km doing no damage.

most of the time yes you do want to use sentries, but the rattlesnake has plenty of room to bring a gecko, and it is a nice tool to have. for missions in brawl range, or when you have to travel.

Newbs used to force their drakes into running level 4s, now it seems even easier with the gila.


TBH, the Gila has always been able to do L4s. I used one 5 years ago when it used 5 heavies or sentries. It's passive tank hasn't really changed that much.

Although, I prefer the Ishtar for L4 mission running. Is it optimal? No, but with proper drone management I don't have to pay for ammo.

it has, although back then I preferred to use the ishtar, was pretty easy to pull full room aggro and go afk. It is also very possible I underestimated the potential passive+speed tank on the gila while using something pretty similar on the ishtar.

These days I would think the Gila would be even better than it used to. and the huge tank on the drones can take some of the damage off of the ship.

Gila is losing a lowslot, which is indeed a nerf but overall shouldn't change a lot.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#40 - 2015-11-15 04:12:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Forum Toon wrote:
wow this is fun.....

And you know, that should be exactly the point in flying it. And it has the coolness factor (the Serenity "look" from Firefly) going for it as well, even if it is getting nerfed.
Big smile

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