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Dominix vs Raven for L4 missions?

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Armahk
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-09-18 17:52:40 UTC
Hi All,

I'm hoping someone can shed some light here for me.

I'm heavily invested into drones, and currently fly a Dominix for L4's. I also have skilled up a little bit in missiles and caldari ships to run a T1-fitted Raven. Before I go any deeper into the Raven world though, can someone tell me why Raven's are considered better than a Domi for missions?

The convenience alone in not having to deal with ammunition to me is a huge incentive to staying with drones, but then I hear Raven's are the best mission-runners, and think that I must be missing something.

So, am I missing something?
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2015-09-18 17:57:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Best is subjective unless a very specific goal is defined and even then it is still somewhat open to interpretation. It sounds like Domi is best for you. If you are heavily invested in drone skills and started training missile skills, you are in a good position to train into a Rattlesnake. Which IMO is better than both.

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Armahk
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-09-18 18:02:17 UTC
That's the second time I've heard that the Rattlesnake is the new great thing in drone boats.

What I'm mainly worrying about is DPS. At some point, do missile boats so far outshine drones that I should "jump ship" and start heavily investing in missiles?

I've been away from Eve for over 6 years, and just coming back, so I don't mind the time-sink to make the change. I'm not married to any path.

The Rattlesnake is a sexy-looking ship though...
Paranoid Loyd
#4 - 2015-09-18 18:11:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
It depends on your style really. If I were you I would stick with Domi train missiles and go straight to Rattlesnake from there.

Keep in mind that paper DPS =/= applied DPS. Your DPS for a Raven may show much higher than a Domi, but the Domi will apply it's damage much better.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#5 - 2015-09-18 18:40:43 UTC
missile boats blow, and for years were highly over rated as they mostly aren't limited to one damage profile. that said if you only have the SP and/or resources for one ship they might be good enough to be the one boat that gets you through.

however if you already have the drone skills I'd just go for the domi. and use that till you can train whatever else you want to try.

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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-09-19 14:21:09 UTC
I am not saying which one is better. But... I can kill stuff from 180-200 km away with my raven, with maxed skills. I don't see domi doing it with drones. And missiles don't miss. Though missiles and drones have travel time so paper dps=/=applied dps.

For me it is really a matter of laziness. I am lazy, I use missiles.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#7 - 2015-09-19 14:44:32 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
missile boats blow, and for years were highly over rated as they mostly aren't limited to one damage profile. that said if you only have the SP and/or resources for one ship they might be good enough to be the one boat that gets you through.

In many ways the Missile ships are better than the alternatives. Whether those advantages are important to you as a player are what really matters and so this statement is both true and false depending on ones point of view.

OP
The real question to ask yourself is do I prefer drones enough that I want to fly them over anything else.
If the answer is yes then you should stay in the Domi for now and skill towards the Rattle. In my opinion it is the best of the drones ships for a mission pilot.

The Raven is a capable missions ship although I would suggest the Caldari Navy variant if you go that way. More expensive but definitely worth it.

No matter what ship you are flying your drones skills can be extremely useful.
To one degree or another all BS class ships struggle to kill frigates and a really good set of light drones is very helpful in this regard.
Medium, heavy or sentry drone can help with the larger ships by adding DPS that does not require a sacrifice in other areas of your fit.
Forum Toon
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-09-19 22:16:35 UTC
Armahk wrote:
That's the second time I've heard that the Rattlesnake is the new great thing in drone boats.

What I'm mainly worrying about is DPS. At some point, do missile boats so far outshine drones that I should "jump ship" and start heavily investing in missiles?

I've been away from Eve for over 6 years, and just coming back, so I don't mind the time-sink to make the change. I'm not married to any path.

The Rattlesnake is a sexy-looking ship though...


rattler is more "fun" wicked ship then ideal best ever one.

imagine using MWD to get into short range from the enemies... then you blast them to bits with RHML.... which fire like machine guns giant missiles all over the place.
then you send a Gecko... which is like a little cruiser fighting by your side or 2 heavy drones which are like ... 2 destroyers? fighting by your side.
and all of that in best looking hull in the game (scorpion hull).
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#9 - 2015-09-20 02:14:38 UTC
My Raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#10 - 2015-09-20 02:19:29 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
My Raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I

1/10 troll post/fit

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#11 - 2015-09-20 02:34:18 UTC
Sad

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-09-20 02:53:09 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
My Raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I

1/10 troll post/fit

History class - you flunked it.
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#13 - 2015-09-20 06:32:59 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
My Raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I



Bit my tongue eating after gazing at this fit.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2015-09-20 15:52:53 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
My Raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I

Trains keep on rolling.
Trolls keep on trolling.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#15 - 2015-09-20 16:01:36 UTC
+1 on moving into a Rattlesnake. There's zero downside and cost-wise you're only looking maybe +$150m ISK extra for the hull. Rapid heavy launchers don't take very long to train into and are very effective.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#16 - 2015-09-20 16:42:48 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
My Raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I

1/10 troll post/fit

Not sure I buy the troll post thing but I nearly fell off my chair when I saw a shield extenders / boosters and armor hardeners in the same fit. Someone needs to go back to fitting 101 and study why combination shield / armor fits are very bad for missions.

I am not saying this is the best fit, it is just one that has been kicked around in my corp recently for use by lower skills pilots.
Would be light years better than the one above though.
[Raven, Mission]

6x 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I

X-Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Large Micro Jump Drive
2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

3x Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II
Damage Control II

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Drones to fit your needs / wants

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#17 - 2015-09-20 17:56:47 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
Would be light years better than the one above though.

Anything would be better than that. The only thing I might change on your fit is a 100MN afterburner instead of the EM Ward Field II (since you kind of have the EM hole plugged with the two invulnerabilities). That way you can MJD, orbit @100km with the afterburner and tank most of the damage.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#18 - 2015-09-20 18:12:07 UTC
Noobs R Us wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
My Raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I

troll post

Cry

Ship Fitting Guide
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#19 - 2015-09-20 18:58:57 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
Not sure I buy the troll post thing but I nearly fell off my chair when I saw a shield extenders / boosters and armor hardeners in the same fit. Someone needs to go back to fitting 101 and study why combination shield / armor fits are very bad for missions.





Not sure I buy your complete lack of knowledge of EVE history...oh wait, I do. Someone needs to go back to EVE history 101 and study why newbies these days are missing large gaps of what makes this game great.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#20 - 2015-09-20 19:32:07 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
I am not saying which one is better. But... I can kill stuff from 180-200 km away with my raven, with maxed skills. I don't see domi doing it with drones. And missiles don't miss. Though missiles and drones have travel time so paper dps=/=applied dps.

For me it is really a matter of laziness. I am lazy, I use missiles.

pretty much no reason to be at that long of a range. Plus sentry drones will automatically find new targets, hard to get lazier than that P

Donnachadh wrote:
I am not saying this is the best fit, it is just one that has been kicked around in my corp recently for use by lower skills pilots.
Would be light years better than the one above though.
[Raven, Mission]

6x 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I

X-Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Large Micro Jump Drive
2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

3x Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II
Damage Control II

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Drones to fit your needs / wants


pretty cookie cutter, but the shield power relay doesn't really make any sense. I'd swap for another BCU or a missile guidance enhancer.

and to whoever said rattlesnake, yea it's pretty much the best of both.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

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