EVE Alliance Tournament Discussion

Am I wrong? http://community.eveonline.com/community/alliance-tournament/ I just crtl + f'd the snot out of that page for "hydra" and got 0 results.

And if Camel had their own independent tournament pedigree, why did they need to share setups/ships/tactics with Warlords? Again, no one from PL (sans Rive) is saying that PL should have won, and the official stance of PL is that Warlords and Camel out-executed us on the last day. Trust me, I am the official spokesman for PL.

But you're a dumbojet if you think that dhb's claims aren't significant and against the rules.

Because they needed to practice against a top tier team in order to prepare themselves for the AT.

As a result they put out an amazing performance throughout the competition.

Since it clearly works, why knock it?

And I'm the Sultan Of Brunei.

You told me they didn't need to collude to win. But I'm pretty sure everyone can do with some practice before a tournament.

C'mon man.

You're entirely welcome to take everything I say out of context if you wish, but it's not going to lead to any meaningful debate on the issues.

And as I have already said, I wasn't present when the alleged events took place, so I can't attest either way.

If you've got any actual evidence, feel free to share it with the rest of us.

Im not saying that, if they fixed matches i want them banned. Im saying a lot of pl guys are claiming that the working together as 1 team part is basicely the bad thing, but it is of no matter at all.

Actually that is part of the overarching problem with regards to how CCP are enforcing the rules that contributed to the current situation. For example: Waffles were denied entrance into the AT for years because they were affiliated with PL, despite having their own logistics support, financial independence, and so forth. The reason they were told they couldn't initially join the AT, and later were told they couldn't practices, share comps, or ships with PL's team, was because of the concern they would collude. Following Hydra's antics in ATIX, Waffles were permitted to compete but there were allegations they would collude and thus were told they couldn't coordinate with PL with regards to AT practices, logistics, etc.

Later on in another AT you then have two teams competing comprised of Hydra members & corps (some of whom rejoined Hydra after the tournament, like Genos Occidere who up until January were also in Camel) openly say they're sharing logistics, fleet comps, tactics, & even AT ships. It's sort of silly to have CCP say "you guys can't do this, but you guys can" and think that's any semblance of equal application of the rules. The ability to share ships, tactics, and logistics is one of the problems CCP needs to address with regards to how the AT is ran since this whole "A & B Team" situation contributed to the alleged match fixing that this thread is a result of.

EHRMAGERD DRAMA LLAMA

Oh dear such Drama.


On the other hand goons whining about something they are terrible at as always


Maybe CCP should also nerf the tourney and make a spelling contest or something that goons might win at although that would be doubtful as well.

Hi, Yaz.

Why'd you get purged from PL?



Not really. It's a contributing factor to this current situation. CCP allowed a team to run an A & B team setup, share all sorts of assets & logistics, and so forth. That in turn is part of why the pre-arranged matches that are being alleged came about, the close proximity of two teams working together and sharing assets.

It's not as bad as when these same players involved in this issue thought having Hydra & Outbreak being in a singular corp on Sisi during testing for a previous AT was a totally OK thing to do. CCP banned them from competing that year when they found out, so we all know how well that works. These are all symptoms of the same problem; you shouldn't be allowed to field multiple teams from the same alliance solely for the AT, let alone be allowed to share everything under the sun save for pilots. Realistically, this is an issue CCP needs to address and prevent now rather than in a year.

Hell, there's even the insinuation that Garmon,who was supposedly permabanned for RMT, was logging in on an alt to play which is against the EULA/TOS when it comes to bypassing bans issued by CCP. Which if true, is comically dumb of Hydra to do.

In short, Hydra/Camels/Warlords knew they were cheating, got caught breaking AT rules for an alleged third time and are confused why they're not being coddled by CCP.