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Notice: Investgation and Prize Item Freeze for Teams in ATXIII

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Lovey Dovey
Doomheim
#261 - 2015-09-23 18:59:41 UTC
Bad Bobby wrote:

Sure, I'll swap it for evidence that your opinion matters.


There's no need to be so upset at a simple request to prove a claim you made.
Valkin Mordirc
#262 - 2015-09-23 22:11:22 UTC
CCP Just announced a new Tech 3 Damage Control called "Bad Bobby III"
#DeleteTheWeak
Mr Rive
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#263 - 2015-09-24 01:30:23 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
CCP Just announced a new Tech 3 Damage Control called "Bad Bobby III"


Whenever you hit hull does it shout 'STOP VICTIMIZING ME!!!'??
General Vachot
The Vendunari
End of Life
#264 - 2015-09-24 02:17:13 UTC
OK so this thread has been a wonderful pantomime so far.

Its been a while though - any likely word on the result of this thing or have I missed something??

Anyone ? CCP?
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#265 - 2015-09-24 02:29:34 UTC
General Vachot wrote:
OK so this thread has been a wonderful pantomime so far.

Its been a while though - any likely word on the result of this thing or have I missed something??

Anyone ? CCP?



CCP Logibro just got on a plane to Twitchcon, he just got off a plane from soethign else, so i don't see any resolution anytime soon
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#266 - 2015-09-24 03:42:00 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Bad Bobby wrote:
Mr Rive wrote:
ITs the tournament. That's what its there to do. Make a ruleset so that the best pilots come out on top. If it doesnt do that, then there is no point in there being a tournament at all.

Are you saying that the best pilots didn't come out on top this year?


This isn't something we could know from watching the tournament.

I was only asking for a clarification of Rive's opinion. I agree that watching the tournament doesn't provide that information.

W0lf Crendraven wrote:
Captain Thunk wrote:
If DHB's logs are skype logs then it's been game over since day 1, most people have assumed they were skype logs.

Skype logs are stored for 30 days by default on Skypes cloud servers and cannot be edited by users. All Wildcat has ever had to do is have a Skype call with a CCP employee and share his screen (inbuilt in Skype) and simply scroll up to the relevent part of the convo - just 1 of countless ways CCP can verify the logs.

It's no secret and I'm sure there are Hydra pilots that have complied fully with the investigation because they knew this was always a slamdunk by Wildcat.

The other 12 pages were just me enjoying myself

I was going to to say
"Thats not proof in any way or form, someone can make a skype account and call himself Kadesh, talk to his other account, collude with himself and then submit that as proof. Since you cant proof that it was the actual person it doesnt count"

But yeah, if he simply screenshared proof that it was indeed the leadership by virtues of showing it was him in other chat rooms then it probably would count.

However the presence of authenticated skype logs between Kadesh and DHB says nothing about the authenticity of the claims made in them. I could convo DHB and tell him I've just eaten his lunch, he might become upset about that, but his lunch may still be in the fridge where he left it.

But we're already several steps down the rabbit hole. We still don't know if there are any skype logs. Also there are plenty of convos between Warlords AT members that contradict the statements made in DHB's logs. This is why we don't treat hearsay as evidence.
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#267 - 2015-09-24 03:55:43 UTC
Lovey Dovey wrote:
Bad Bobby wrote:

Sure, I'll swap it for evidence that your opinion matters.

There's no need to be so upset at a simple request to prove a claim you made.

That doesn't look like evidence to me.
Captain Thunk
Explode. Now. Please.
Alliance. Now. Please.
#268 - 2015-09-24 04:44:23 UTC
Bad Bobby wrote:

However the presence of authenticated skype logs between Kadesh and DHB says nothing about the authenticity of the claims made in them. I could convo DHB and tell him I've just eaten his lunch, he might become upset about that, but his lunch may still be in the fridge where he left it.

But we're already several steps down the rabbit hole. We still don't know if there are any skype logs. Also there are plenty of convos between Warlords AT members that contradict the statements made in DHB's logs. This is why we don't treat hearsay as evidence.


If you read the logs before they were moderated (available on other sites) then you will know that the Team Captain explicitly talked about throwing matches by arrangement between the Hydra heads.

It can be verified from DHB Wildcats client as I described, although not from Kadesh's, as he can delete single messages.

If Wildcats claims are true and CCP screenshare to witness the logs still in place then it's case closed. No room to spin with it.
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#269 - 2015-09-24 05:05:17 UTC
Captain Thunk wrote:
Bad Bobby wrote:

However the presence of authenticated skype logs between Kadesh and DHB says nothing about the authenticity of the claims made in them. I could convo DHB and tell him I've just eaten his lunch, he might become upset about that, but his lunch may still be in the fridge where he left it.

But we're already several steps down the rabbit hole. We still don't know if there are any skype logs. Also there are plenty of convos between Warlords AT members that contradict the statements made in DHB's logs. This is why we don't treat hearsay as evidence.


If you read the logs before they were moderated (available on other sites) then you will know that the Team Captain explicitly talked about throwing matches by arrangement between the Hydra heads.

It can be verified from DHB Wildcats client as I described, although not from Kadesh's, as he can delete single messages.

If Wildcats claims are true and CCP screenshare to witness the logs still in place then it's case closed. No room to spin with it.

No, as I pointed out in that quote.
Lovey Dovey
Doomheim
#270 - 2015-09-24 06:19:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Lovey Dovey
Bad Bobby wrote:
That doesn't look like evidence to me.


I'm sorry you feel the need to resort to misogynistic behavior to try and shut down a female playing pointing out you have a tendency to cry about "we're the victims of CCP being unfair" several times while ignoring the reality of what happened.

Edit - Also why did you feel the need to lie to everyone a few pages ago?
Captain Thunk
Explode. Now. Please.
Alliance. Now. Please.
#271 - 2015-09-24 06:44:28 UTC
Bad Bobby wrote:
Captain Thunk wrote:
Bad Bobby wrote:

However the presence of authenticated skype logs between Kadesh and DHB says nothing about the authenticity of the claims made in them. I could convo DHB and tell him I've just eaten his lunch, he might become upset about that, but his lunch may still be in the fridge where he left it.

But we're already several steps down the rabbit hole. We still don't know if there are any skype logs. Also there are plenty of convos between Warlords AT members that contradict the statements made in DHB's logs. This is why we don't treat hearsay as evidence.


If you read the logs before they were moderated (available on other sites) then you will know that the Team Captain explicitly talked about throwing matches by arrangement between the Hydra heads.

It can be verified from DHB Wildcats client as I described, although not from Kadesh's, as he can delete single messages.

If Wildcats claims are true and CCP screenshare to witness the logs still in place then it's case closed. No room to spin with it.

No, as I pointed out in that quote.


What? You think because two people who are merely participating in the AT chatting away and not aware of match fixing this would somehow counteract the Team Captain explicitly stating that the matches are fixed?

Or are you just hoping that the logs are not from Skype or similar verifiable source?



MissBolyai
ElitistOps
Snuffed Out
#272 - 2015-09-24 14:23:02 UTC
Captain Thunk wrote:
Hydra heads


golfclapping the heck outta that wit
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#273 - 2015-09-28 05:05:35 UTC
This sure is taking forever.
Dancul1001
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#274 - 2015-09-28 05:20:56 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
This sure is taking forever.


i heard logibro was at twitchcon or something maybe we will hear soon (tm)
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#275 - 2015-09-28 12:03:02 UTC
As Dancul says, Logibro, the person who is handling this is a busy man.

It takes as long as it takes and it's important that it isn't rushed.
Lovey Dovey
Doomheim
#276 - 2015-09-28 16:56:16 UTC
Bad Bobby wrote:
As Dancul says, Logibro, the person who is handling this is a busy man.

It takes as long as it takes and it's important that it isn't rushed.


Why did you lie to everyone?
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#277 - 2015-10-04 11:10:42 UTC
so when is CCP going to announce redistribution of AT prizes and permaban of camels of the deep pilots from all future AT? Because thats the only valid outcome of this.
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#278 - 2015-10-04 16:29:47 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
so when is CCP going to announce redistribution of AT prizes and permaban of camels of the deep pilots from all future AT? Because thats the only valid outcome of this.



Read the last 3 pages of the day 4 summit notes. I know Falcon was there talking about the integrity of the tournament and some other interesting things, also it was stated it may takes a few weeks and that basically started this past week as Logibro has been traveling and this past week was basically his first back in Iceland since the tournament. So, I would say not this coming week, probably the week after, or maybe the week after that
TinkerHell
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#279 - 2015-10-05 09:06:32 UTC
I heard that alot of them have negative wallets because of the asset freeze? Seems a bit harsh to make Camels and Warlords wait with negative wallets if they are eventually found innocent. If they have negative wallets they cant even repair or trade their ships.
Pinky TheBrain
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#280 - 2015-10-06 01:37:56 UTC
TinkerHell wrote:
I heard that alot of them have negative wallets because of the asset freeze? Seems a bit harsh to make Camels and Warlords wait with negative wallets if they are eventually found innocent. If they have negative wallets they cant even repair or trade their ships.



Yeah negative wallets is definately unfair for the guys that werent involved in the debacle. I feel for them. I hope this gets resolved soon