Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You perfectly summarize all the criticism to these kinds of ideas in a few lines. Basically its something like "I would't ever use that, so don't waste time on it." If that criticism would hold any validity, the devs would have to never implement any new feature.

The proposed idea has two key virtues that affect the game in very positive ways, both improving the average "quality" of the playerbase and the quantity of it:

A) adds an entry-level PVP experience for people who is too afraid to try the harshness of null or low-sec. Some people still thinks about these parts as "there be dragons", and that's partly true because they don't know how to PVP. And they don't know how to PVP because they've never left High-sec. And they'll never visit low-sec because there be dragons; and we're back at the start. A lot of potentially excelent PVPers are lost PRECISELY because this idea doesn't get implemented.

B) adds a funny way to find PvP-level, high stakes excitement in little time. As the OP stated, there are lots of people who don't have the time to find "good" PvP, waiting for a fleet, etc, or just run the very high risk to get a ****** fight (3v1, blobbed, 1v1+links, smartbombed to hell when landing on a gate, scammed to a 1v1 and then blobbed...) 4 out of every 5 times. But they LOVE eve; they love the setting, the mechanics, the people, the economy, the complexity... They don't want to go to another game. And the "doesn't have time to find good PvP" may even be a temporary thing due to work or family issues. Don't try to argue that adding this would substract from "actual PvP" numbers because that's not true. Do you know what do these people right now? Unsubscribe until they have time again, or sometimes forever. You not only won't win a "true" PvPer, but you will lose a player.

And to the ones that argue that "there are mechanics for that already", That's like saying if you want a 1 on 1 boxing, you should just go out at night looking for bar fights (low-sec and null-sec solo), or you should challenge every random stranger you run into on the street (current duel challenges). But you don't do that; you sign up on a local championship with enforced rules and a controlled environment, or occasionally visit your local gym where you fight opponents also in a controlled setting.

To implement the idea with as little time as possible on part of the devs, it would even suffice to setup a "looking for duels" in-game board, where you advertise yourself and the kind of ships you're willing to fight with. But even that is lacking at the moment.

How is SiSi not already a virtual mode?

I personally think the ships should be real. That stimulates the economy and the market side of it. In a sense, "virtual" fights would affect the world, creating a "separate reality". I'm against that, but I support the rest of the idea.

Technically, that idea's as simple as an automatic module-off once the other ship would hit 0 and a message in local chat. Obviously, the first message is the winner, and this also provides more information on what's happening in the system.

How this is less than the whole idea of arenas is that it's no fleet engagement, nor is it produced without picking the target, ships, and place. This idea even has alternatives, though, and that includes just a ghost-mode for the ships health status and effects.

So... Now we talk about arenas with indestructible ships and weapons that only shoot until a ship reaches 1 HP (missiles in mid flight?)? And you honestly dare to say that we "need to look at what's wrong with the state of PvP as a whole at that point that no ships are exploding because everyone is in the simulator"? Are you seriously kidding us or are you sincerely don't know what's wrong with your suggestion(s)?

What? The mere existence of ceptors being able to troll with ELs made an entire coalition burn an entire region of sov space in a mere week (and the rest of the cluster employed the same tactics to deteriorate opponents), AFK ishtars are used and encouraged to fly in Guristas space as they make the most money and are dirt cheap, people go to High sec to make money because it is easier and less risky. To name a few things.

And you honestly say that "if the mere existence of a casual and low cost PVP alternative in the game pulls so much participation from the rest of the game to seriously endanger" all the things in the game. Quite frankly, I am speechless.

It's barely on point that it "has to be low-cost" and only at all because of some discussions.

Arenas magnify everything that's great about gameplay:

Quick skill-development through lots of compact experience

Showing exactly what playstyles are interesting

The thrill of coming out of an engagement with low HP

Winning

With the "buy fit" feature that's on SISI, it could pull reships through the market, vastly increasing the amount of market volume.

And take it virtually from everywhere else, from every other already existing arena in the game, ie. the individual solar systems, away as it is simply less effort. You do not even want to see that, you do not even want to keep your own words in mind when you throw out this despicable, utterly ridiculous speech that you dare to call reasoning.

But by all means, continue. I rest my case. I am not going to continue wasting my time against so much ignorance, naiveté and negligence.

/thread for me

I'm astonished as to some people still only see the "it will move people away from 'real' PvP" face of the coin, and not the "It would bring tons of new players into the game and retain many of the existing ones" face.

And someone already said that if that were to be true, then you really would need to sit and think deeply about the state of the game. However, I don't think it would be true; it would only ADD to the game, never take from it.

What about all this need for destruction?! Build you own sandcastle or something that others want to destroy. Make it vulnerable each day and you'll have your arena. With Guns fitted to your station you also have the advantage.
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