Player Features and Ideas Discussion

@dror
The main concept of eve is players interacting with eachother in a competitive environment and a totally open sandbox. It's why many of us play (see how the eve community reacted to instancing in 'competitive' games like star citizen). An idea with magical barriers and instances is literally as far from the core concepts of eve as it can be.

As ive said, im all for the idea so long as I can gate crash an intended target. Why does THAT one situation scare you all so much? None of you have even attempted to answer that.

You CAN have eve soccer. But an eve-style eve soccer that fits in with the core concepts of the open sandbox. E.g. Gate crashing, foul play, skull duggery etc etc.

@rek
Again speak for yourself.
Ive put forward several arguments, others put forward their opinions as well, and you called us 'dumb' and tried to look down your nose at us whilst refusing to address my questions because your e-peen is too big to answer them.

No one here is more guilty of flinging **** and stomping their feet than you. And here you are again trying to lower this thread to your level. Either address this thread as an adult or gtfo. You should have just deleted the first paragraph in your last post. Because all your doing is this:

'i want capsuleers to stop piloting ships and instead ride dinosaurs that swim through space. If you dont like my idea you have an irrational fear of change. Look at my killboard. The person with the most kills in the game knows whats best for eve'.

Now to address the second paragraph.
It doesnt depending on implementation. It depends what automation you intend to have. The idea of the arena hasnt been fleshed out in anyway here. But if it involves teleporting and magic barriers then valid arguments have already been put forward.

A deployable that warps (or mjd's) you to a created deadspace pocket where everyone within goes suspect is a start. Randomish landing spots on top of that. But the deployable can be found by probes and broken into by anyone.

when did I say you couldn't? you might also get killed so that's the fun and also the risk

I saw your ten points earlier, and I also saw several people argue against them. I'm sorry, but I side with them. If you want to teach people what "real-life" PvP is...PvP in a bubble isn't going to help them.

The only assumption that I made was that any tournament game mode would include some manner of protection while the match was going on because without that basic assumption there is literately nothing else to be discussing. If that protection is made available, people will absolutely abuse it. It's not about assuming that tournament players will automatically be protected from non-tournament players 23 hours a day, it's about realizing that players will hide in tournament arenas 23 hours a day to avoid outside aggression that isn't on their terms.


I think that this is our fundamental disconnect. The core of EvE is absolutely the ability to attack someone at all times. Even while docked you are vulnerable to scams and market PvP, and even within a POS shield you are vulnerable to said POS being shot out from under you.

EvE = Everyone vs Everyone. All of the time. Welcome to New Eden.


I feel like you're missing the point of a sandbox. If you want to go build yourself a sand castle, that's fine, be my guest and go do it. In fact, I encourage it. Just don't expect CCP to give you special tools to do it that nobody else gets.



Side note: I may sound like I'm pissing all over the idea of player-centric combat tournaments, but I'm not. I actually love the idea. From the tournaments I've participated in (yes, they do already exist), I can tell you that they are both fun and educational (albeit in a very non-conventional manner as tournament fits would often fail miserably in "real world" PvP), and I would love nothing more than to see them become more common. I simply oppose the addition of any special game mechanics in order to promote them because we've already shown that they aren't necessary.

Thanks. I do see where you are coming from and it's okay if you don't agree with my list. However i know from personal experience that, when i was starting out, a combat arena would have taught me about basic PVP and ship mods better than the tutorial did (because it didn't at all in my day ). I also think it is reasonable to conclude that more people would take up PVP faster that they do now, if they have a level playing field to practice in.

From the things you listed, if you consider these to be vulnerabilities then you must consider a hunter taking part in the tournament to kill his target, also a vulnerability...

Quick fun? Ok

CCCP, we need incarna Tekken 3 Tournaments in eve. If i cant be arsed to undock, i can always beat the living crap out of another character in station. Plus the bets, the bookies, the entry fee. Think of all the combos you can do, plus the FINISH HIM attack. Winner takes all implants from other chars skull. And implants give bonuses to hitpoints, agility, damage, etc

YES, QUICK FUN

Read my previous couple of posts for why we've HAD to make assumptions and where those assumptions came from.



You've just said that you consider people who need things explaining to them multiple times are dumb but it was your FIRST post when you called others dumb..and then you ask me to explain my position to you again. Come on!

The difference between a temp barrier and no barrier is everyone knows when the temp barrier ends. Its not the same as an unexpected arrival which is what is better about an open-sandbox.

How would you make a competitive tournament environment where I can break in?

Factually back up your claim that you can't have quick fun in Eve.

Factually back up that you cannot just log in undock, and get a quick brawl.


Factually support that people want this 'quick fun' type thing, don't just blanket statement it. I'm reading this thread and the evidence is quite contrary. People do NOT want this. Even if you had an 'arena' it will still be unfair, so this concept of a level playing field is rubbish. This is evidenced by all the arena type games out there where even the best of efforts renders an unfair scenario.


And stay on topic, minus the strawmanning, which you were so quick to cast at others. No one claimed to be a CCP Employee, and implying that someone did can have serious consequences as impersonating a CCP Employee is against the EULA and bannable, nor is wrongfully accusing other people of it looked lightly upon.

The equivalence is quite true, and quite relevant. Again review the title of the game, Eve, Everyone vs Everyone. It means in short, that everyone is able to fight everyone at all times, in one way or another. So to claim that *Edited a fustercluck of words resulting from trying to word a vague concept* there is no relationship between what everyone else is doing and what this small group is doing is wrong. Everyone and everything affects something else in the game, and is able to be influenced by everyone and everything else at any point. This arena concept breaks that pattern, that necessity. It must be just as easy and possible to interrupt any duel or 1v1 as it is to gank a miner or freighter or carrier ratting in a belt. Arenas break that. That is the problem with them.

If you want to feel good about playing the game, then play the game. This is a social game, not a solo game. You're not supposed to play this game by yourself. It wasn't and isn't designed for that. If you aren't having fun, then you need to adjust your play style, not expect the game to change for you.


You should also try standard English.

This could work but you have the concept a bit off. In eve you can't just have a battle arena, that's not how it works. You have to have a reason for players to show up to an area and fight over something. Perhaps dead zones that concord can not reach? Some kind of resource or perhaps certain rated DED sites could exist in high sec where players can still freely engage.

Many of these things exist already but the combat is mostly limited to low and null for obvious reasons, lacking concord in these areas could allow for battle arena type locations. Perhaps vacated battle sites between either the empires and pirates, or even other empires. Since these locations are the site of battles that concord doesn't interfere with they are dangerous even in high sec. This would be similar to what happened in luminare only more localized. This gives salvage as a reward, occasionally T2 salvage and no concord.

It's not perfect but it could produce the affect of battle arena type areas.

Again you're wrong. FW sites can be influenced by and changed by everyone else. Be it a links alt on the outside, or friends waiting to jump into it or a random third or fourth party. If the plex is empty when you come back, that is part of the game, part of the choice factor in choosing what ship to bring, and part of the ever changing battle conditions that set Eve apart by virtue of being a single shard, persistent universe.


This is a far cry different from a walled off section that cannot be impacted by anything outside. That is the fundamental difference and where this concept is wrong. You are also wrong in your perspective. See, the sand box was here first. That is what it has always been, always been marketed as It has precedent. If you don't like it, you are free to leave it. You chose to come to it. That choice has always been open to you. It's not for you to suggest the entirety of the sandbox move so you can have your own special patch of sand. So I would echo your sentiment back to you: If you don't like it, go find something else to do.


This arena will also not be as remotely 'fair' as you think it will be. You need to get this concept out of your head. The same fits that dominate 1v1's in low sec or null will dominate this arena, and people will get just as angry over them in the arena, probably more so because now they can't just up the ante to defeat it. Again, see any arena type game in existence for your proof of concept.


It's also not about play styles being affected, its about play styles affecting the arena. Its always been about that. Any affect this arena would have on play styles is inherently negative, as it directly detracts from the Everyone versus Everyone mantra that is Eve.


You have no way to prove any sort of increased content or increased confidence. Purely speculation based on nothing. Disregarding until you can submit concrete proof.