Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Fabricated idea? I am not fabricating, I am extrapolating from existing arenas in the game: The AT arena has a wall. It's the 125km range beyond which you get boundary violation violated. You surely do not want to suggest that a arena accessible for casual play has no boundary and that you can stretch the arena grid for thousands of kilometers without clipping out of it.

Of course, metas do influence fights and fittings, I have not said otherwise, What I said was that personal skill opens potential ways out of hairy situations; skills that you do not learn in an arena and that an arena makes not important to learn because they do not matter.

SP do not matter. How often do I need to say this? If I have an alt with 2M SP and get paired with a new player or inexperienced old player with 2M SP, I can obliterate both because I have more knowledge than them. You can also just cycle alts every couple of months if one so desires to keep farming easy kills and game the system.

There are already both in-game and out-of-game means for players to communicate with each other.

There are already both in-game and out-of-game tools useful for finding an empty system to hold the match in so that it can go on without interference.

There are already game mechanics that allow any two players who mutually agree to to engage in combat anywhere in space.

And, on top of all of that, if that isn't good enough for you, there is already an entire server populated with every item available on the market for sale stocked for 100ISK at certain stations that has all of the tools mentioned above, far fewer players to possibly interfere, and actual rules against interfering.



Seriously man, what else do you want? You have the tools. Use them.



If the denizens of C&P, who are in the eyes of many outsiders the least trustworthy band of dastardly villains in all of New Eden, can hold an entire bracket of 1v1 duels without any dishonorable interventions or interrupted matches, including some matches near major hubs and in losec, then you will have a very hard time convincing me that additional tools are necessary.

In EvE, there is only one "gamemode".

It's called "logged in".

Seriously, have you even tried to arrange a 1v1 tournament using existing mechanics? It's not hard. Try it and get back to us.

They're the company's statistics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGZkCPo7tC0

The only reason for guesses on how valid the numbers are is because they have come in question. The point, from that, was that it seems simple getting accurate numbers (hence, calling out the non-reply as a strawman).

There's a correlation provided -- groups of more action have better sustain. It's logical that introducing fresh subs through quick action promotes sustain. They have something to do with low SP. It's probably uninteresting arguing the merits of making ISK as a primary gameplay method, then that comes back on the value of intrinsic rewards vs extrinsic rewards.. learning the game vs. getting something through the game. Maybe both simultaneously is the most helpful.

There are no alternative suggestions that would benefit the NPE? Because duels are already an option. If there is no actual argument, then there's no reason to respond. There is request for statistics, and they're provided.

So by posting that, you ended up bumping the post to the top, duh and not everyone agrees with you, sorry if that hurts your ego

So to the numerous responses so far.....

I have to say, from something that is just a simple idea, I am shocked at some of the responses, which i would akin to a 2 year old throwing a tantrum, or blantaly people getting angry over nothing. No one is changing your game, no one is changing your sandbox (and If i keep hearing that bloody word!). You keep going on about sandbox, well therefore this is just part of another idea of extending the sandbox! The sandbox is not static, it doesn't have boundaries. So by the very essence of you going on about sandbox you're also contradicting it.

Anyway clearly many of you havent listened or read the initial post, what you have done in your usual angry eve player fashion is see a word and immediately start ranting!

The point was that many people dont have time to roam, wait for fleets etc, many just want to hop on and do something quickly, and the battle arenas allow you to do that. Funny many other MMOs seem to manage to do it. Oh sorry this is eve where the players are so closed to everything (thats why its in the crap now, listening to people who dont want change!)

I dont have the answers on exactly how it would work, I was hoping that the community would actually offer some ideas. Guess that didnt work for some of you.

So onto some of the reponses.

- Go use SISI - Are you serious with that comment? Sisi has at best 100 maybe 200 players, there are no arena type pvp, and no rules, and its not about testing fits! Also everyone just ganks everyone. No sorry try again. We still want to play in the tranquility.

- Go to low sec - Well duh thats the same as trying to roam around trying to find fights - clearly didnt listen to suggestion

We don't do 1v1, 2v2 - Well duh yeah thats the reason for the suggestion...

Please stop trying to force 'your' ways of playing the game on to others, that dont want to play 'your' game, we want to play 'our' game that suits 'our' timescales and 'our' play styles not 'your' game. its a sandbox after all that you keep saying to suit others.

Yes this could be a little like the AT tournaments but obviously would have to be more automated. Looks it is a big thing to implement I absolutely understand that, its needs thought on how it could work, but i think people will love it to be honest.

I know i would. So perhaps why dont you get in on the idea, makes some suggestions and see if it has legs? If your against it, fine then you dont need to post or suggest anything. But I bet all my assets that if it did get implemented, the people against it would go try it and use it.

So can we stop being whiny girls and embrace the idea

Why is trailing a character the only valid example of playstyles at a loss with arenas? It's the same as them being in a station (with an insta-warp) or as the security of packed establishments in real life.

It's like posting the Butterfly Effect video, as if something that rarely ever happens (finding fleets randomly) because of the tendencies and mechanics of the game's style.. is evidence that the rare something must exist in the game. It's like a giant appeal on tradition, and it makes sense that trailing a character could end productively; but nothing assures that, and this is literally the definition of sandbox gameplay. Posting this reply on one that could benefit a lot of gameplay, more subs (more content), and more in space through increased confidence seems underwhelming.

The point of the discussion is more than just "some feature", but one that a lot of games have (and for good reason, including simple innovation). Why shouldn't there be EVE soccer? It's a simple question.

It's interesting to look at the arguments made by both sides...

The people for it are offering up ideas for how this could work in eve and state there reasons for why they feel it would benefit the game. On the other side, people who are against the feature seem to be either arguing out of irrational fear of change to their personal play style, suggesting things that do not address the issue and post off topic or simply appear to be arguing for the sake of arguing.

It would be useful if one of the people against this idea could clarify their reasons better. Let's assume that sis is not considered a part of the real eve (because many people don't) and let's also not assume that a magic force-field will follow arena players around eve... How would creating an arena system hurt eve as apposed to making it a more interesting/accommodating game?

Both of these seem inaccurate. Already mentioned are gamemodes, many common of which aren't possible with the mechanics.


Except, what if the point of arenas is gamemodes? Securing the position of game objects (flags, etc.) is of every right of those playing.. but not plausible without an arena. Why is literally just another building, like (or already being dock at) stations, somehow detracting from the idea of an emergent game? Getting groups together for a game is literally emergent socialization.

Again, this appeal on "TRUE" EVE is logically invalid.

There have been multiple benefits listed, I myself listed ten earlier... Now you may not agree with them but that's your choice. People have already pointed out why dueling can be gamed and does therefor not achieve the goal, so i won't bother commenting further.

As for harming eve i asked that you make no assumption but you immediately assume that hunters will never be able to find/hurt a tournament player. I have yet to see someone say "tournament players should be protected from non tournament players 23 hours a day". Would it be unreasonable for a hunter to wait for the match to end? Wouldn't it be easier to attack a player in space as opposed to in a station?

The "core of eve" is not the ability to attack someone at all times. If it was, stations and pos force-fields wouldn't exist. The core of eve is simply "choice/freedom" within a single shard universe.