Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You must just be mad you can't win at world of 'insert.'

First. It is a sand box. Get over it or get out. What that means in simplest terms is there are game mechanics which define how this module works and that skill works, etc, then anything goes after that. Eve isn't WoW, and doesn't nor has it ever tried to cater to everyone. It knows its not for everyone. The one time it did in my experience was a certain expansion by Incarna, and Eve suffered badly for it. If you don't like it, please go. We don't want you. If you'd rather play another Push-button-win! game, then please do. I sincerely hope you enjoy your simple game and I will greatly enjoy you not being part of my much more complex game.

Second, I didn't say sandbox in any response to you, you are the one hung up on that. If you can't come to terms with the sandbox, and all its rules and complete lack thereof, then this isn't the game for you. The greatest triumphs of Eve have taken months of work, years in some cases to complete.


Third, I'm having to read your posts 5 times to get any meaning out of them because they are so far off what is actually being said, or completely ignore what is being said.


You have still not told me why you can't convo a bro and ask him if he wants to duel? Why are you not able to get fights? Getting fights in Eve is easy, if you know how to do it.


You say there are no fleet duels? Have you ever tried? The answer to that is very likely no. Let me enlighten you: Many wars are waged for gain, very true, but some are fought under rules of engagement. I know it used to not be uncommon to convo an entity like Eve Uni and set up a week long war with rules of engagement which allowed a good experience for both sides. The vibe I'm getting off you is a very sincere lack of effort.



So if you invite a guy to a 1v1 and you two are both in a fleet together and are the only two people in the fleet, how the heck is anyone getting links?




And yeah.... all those 'game modes' they exist in Eve. They are constantly evolving battle conditions. You want a dedicated game mode? Go play a different game.

So why can't you organize your own 'arenas' via war dec or league or any other means?

All of which is purely speculation and directly counter to Eve. Plausibly you get plenty of people who want to join your player ran tournament. Plausibly you get people who gripe and complain about how unfair your 'arena' is because of this ship or that ship. Plausibly you drive people away because they see Eve going the way many other great games have gone, cash grab and done.


You have more than enough tools already at your disposal to do what you want. You have nothing but speculation as to the affect this farce would have on the game as a whole. You have a test server which you can get on and do exactly this free of consequence. You know the test server is open to everyone yeah? What you lack is the effort. Go forth and put the effort in.

I have no objection to anyone organising a tournament, player run events from the very small to the very large are good for EvE my only objection is that event and the people involved being totally safe and isolated from the rest of New Eden's population.

The only place you should be totally safe in EvE is docked. Once you make an exception to that by say, allowing totally safe instanced arenas you are on a slippery slope, you have set a precedent. How long before there is instanced PvE? Totally safe mining areas? Untouchable NPC haulers? Perfectly Safe HiSec? Increased CONCORD presence in LowSec?

I'd rather keep this a nuanced game with real depth rather than have it slide into becoming a two dimensional theme park shooter.

The griefing part is what you said. We argue that you as a player should do the work to set up these things if you want them so much. Organize things, get people to help you protect and prepare your venue and get people to want to participate in the fights. It is very easy to set up an arena in Low sec or NPC null sec: Just accept a L1 security or mining mission and you have a very safe arena. That is easily defensible and you have usually stations in the same system where you can provide ships, modules and ammunition. Not to mention that you can already bet on all sorts of things through services like evebet or other gambling sites. Get them on board with your arena plan and you have even more publicity. This kind of promoted and maybe even by CCP supported effort does a lot more good for the game than your arenas that have no meaning, no consequences, no breathtaking experience, no memorable effect.
What you suggest does nothing good for the game. It only creates a mechanic that has no place in it and warps the core principles just because players are too lazy, too convenience driven, too mind-numbed to get something like this rolling.

As i said, dumb arguments that do nothing to improve the game. Well done.

The operatives outweigh the negatives.

I have a genuine concern that this proposal could undermine a fundamental tenant of this game, how is that "dumb"?

It's generally pointless arguing with people who are not willing to consider your argument or discuss a compromise but since you asked so nicely, I'll list some of the benefits/outcomes:

1. Help new players prepare for real pvp
2. Hep explain pvp modules to new player
3. Make in easier for even organizers to organize tournaments
4. Create a alliance tournament style arena for people who want a true test of skill
5. Create a means of identifying the most skilled pilots in the game
6. Creates an activity for casual (or time restricted) players
7. Adds to the sandbox
8. Ensures fairness for both parties
9. Doesn't rely on an organizer
10. Anyone can take part

Some people seem to be scared that this goes again the sandbox or will take people away from normal pvp. Firstly, they don't know what sandbox means as it merely describes and open world game with lots of choice and arenas add to the choice. Secondly, i doubt that people who enjoy fleet combat will suddenly move to arena combat but if they do, that just show that the game was lacking something people want to do in the sand box.

So your solution is to not play the game and instead go play on a test server? Yeah brilliant! See what i mean about arguing with people who don't want to listen...

Join pvp corp...one with chill peeps best option
ask some chill peeps to 1 v 1 you
setup terms of engagement....usual is shoot to hull, if using drones you eat the loss on popped drones
....fight


This was how I learned some pvp tricks in my first pvp homes starting out. And had a much better night that just pure ratting on slow nights in garrison. Only weaknesses in this system is either your crew is filled with asshats and you can't really play hull tank style. As hull tanking not exactly the rage on the server...non issue. Case of the former issue, no one makes you fly with asshats who can't be assed to hook up a corpmate. Which is a bad sign there as well....they aren't helping to improve the core strength of the corp.


People always bring up prizes. If you want the pvp, a good fight and/or some good lessons learned is your prize. You will find in crews with people not total dicks that roams may not have any "prizes". The gentleman's agreement I was introduced to early and have always liked there after is player(s) who lose thier ships get the loot to recover losses. I was in space poor homes most of the time, no FRP/SRP. guy shot down has wallet hit less, he reships easier to keep the good times rolling.

Never had the case of the popping the bling fit ships to where one could argue well now we have 2 billion in mods here. It was mixed t2/named gear drops. friend lost his ride...he needs the t2 guns for reuse or sale more than I did...have at it bro. We just dropped it off at their station when done.


And there is sisi.

Or....there are WH's. Fun fact...this is where AT teams tend to practice a lot. Better control of system security to reduce spying. Mix wh and sisi.....you have yourself a nice private venue to do wtf ever your heart desires really. Well more private as they have to scan you and if paranoid you can have "bouncers" as it were on the exit/entrances.


and there are technical issues. We all watch AT and go oooh....ahhh. the software that runs that is not production release. We only see the commentators for AT. IT peeps are in the background making stuff happen. And working issues as they come up. Like last year...the code to remove peeps from the arena had some issues. Test could not be pulled out from the ring just like that. Commentators had to freestyle a bit to fill in the dead time as test was stuck for a good long while.


Long story short....CCP for a few weekends coughs up some OT/comptime approvals to give an "arena". Not seeing that happen daily.