Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Pointing out this idea flies in the face of the core principles of EvE is not being melodramatic. Open world PvP sandbox is what I pay my subscription fees for. If I wanted to play a MOBA, there are many of those already out there "satisfying trends." I know, because I've already become bored with them, yet I'm still playing EvE.

When you add an arena, you remove the open world aspect of EvE. When players flock to the arena for their PvP, there are fewer in the open world to interact with, which removes the sandbox aspect of EvE. When that happens, you will no longer have an EvE, because the FOTM crowd the arena draws will get bored and leave, while the core player base that has been here for a decade or more will have already left.

EvE has always been a niche game. Let it remain in its niche, where it will make CCP money over the long term, rather than make it just another FOTM game, which will make CCP a lot of money in a short time, but will ultimately spell the end of EvE.

Lastly, learn to post your responses in the form that everyone other than you uses. It's annoying trying to interpret your replies.

I could go through and list the reasons all of this is emotional and not logical, but it's simple enough as this: none of this is applying the contributions from the thread. It's not conversational anymore -- it's just tripe.

What prerogative promotes defining the subs that should come.. or implying there are some definite statistics on the interest in arenas?

well I still like the idea ...although listening to the worriers about a simple arena crushing "open world pvp" and this I would not like to see

How about its just open at alliance tournament time ? Or is having a tournament in eve about a eve tournament still not eve enough ?

Screw it, I am back!

Was it not one of your goals to allow new and younger players to have access to these arenas in order to PVP with less odds of encountering fun-ruining blob PVP, and/or to find uninterrupted solo fights to show off? You do realize that young and new players can in the most cases not afford "steep entry fees", and if fees were not existent or greatly lowered for new or young players, old and more experienced players could just roll alts every couple of months to not violate the EULA on a dedicated account in order to not have to pay high fees. Besides, even if older did not roll alts, why should they pay billions of ISK (arbitrary number, it could also be a diamond found ten times a day in Poitot, for all I care) to participate in an arena and new players not? I hope for your own sake that you do not want to suggest that people should just PLEX their way into richness and the arenas so that CCP can earn more money.

Consuming and therefore farming resources does not magically allow fights to happen outside of the arena. Just look at Null sec, even the most heavily farmed and mined systems can do so in peace most of the day and this is with the current number of active PVPs in space. Arenas take these (at least a considerable number) away; thus there are even less people hunting farmers and miners.
PVP in EVE is player driven, it is only as good as players make it. There is no way to look at it or change it beyond introducing artificial limitations such as arenas. Those that do not like arenas ultimately have no other choice left than to participate in arenas as no one else is left to fight outside arenas. People right now already get fed up by roaming around 10, 20, 30 jumps to find nothing but a cyno Velator on a station. People were already fed up of hunting trollceptors days after the first appeared in space, as well as people immediately started using trollceptors as the easiest possible solution to harm and annoy people in space. Do you really believe people will roam around 50, 60 jumps and be satisfied with finding nothing but a logged off cyno Velator? Do you really believe that if the remaining Free PVPs accumulate in areas like Curse or Fountain Core to PVP against each other will allow for PVP to harm, interrupt or destroy farming sessions for arena entrance diamonds in Cobalt Edge or Esoteria?

People will use arenas and give up on open PVP. Historical and empirical evidence for this notion is available since day 1 after the opening of TQ (do not bother with any other character bloodline/school, only go for Civire or Achura!) and it strongly supports opposition of the arena and in no way whatsoever supporters there off. End of story.

It will kill world pvp because people will naturally gravitate towards instant pvp with a fixed upper number and the more that join it the more it will suck out of world pvp.

Arenas are not compatible with a game such as EVE, if you want another fine example for what EVE would look like go see what happened to STO, a game that went the arena route and like every other new MMO of the last decade bombed because people get bored with arenas very quickly and move on to the next game.

1- So? Maybe the fight they want is in an arena. Win for them.
2- And? Ratters and Miners are as entitled to play their way as you are yours. You can't claim that there is no PvP available when you spend all your time avoiding people looking to shoot you.
3- Those shoes fit on everyone's feet. Again, can't complain about there being no PvP when you spend all your time avoiding it.
4- I fail to see this point in relation to your other posts. You said you can't find fights and now say they will find you. Problem not detected.
5- It seems like you are arguing for an arena, not against.

Bottom line, games are supposed to be fun for the people who play them. If your only argument against is that other people wont play the way you want, you are perhaps playing the wrong game. Sandbox games are meant to allow many playstyles, not to put rails under other peoples characters to satisfy your need for entertainment.

No, my argument isn't Sov and ganking. It's that so much time and effort has been spent catering to the nay saying pure pvp crowd that the rest of the game is simply not fun. Fix that, and your arena won't be an issue. I didn't sub for the PvP, though I knew it would be a part of my game. I subbed for the promise of the world, and to be able to achieve things with friends. People like me won't disappear into the arenas, because there is nothing there I am interested in, except maybe to get a kick now and again. EVE is dying, kind of, at least for players like myself, because it's a broken promise. The promise was broken to cater to all the gankbears that scream bloody murder anytime something gets developed that does not lead to either a soft target locked for their pleasure or else some new thing for them to shoot other things with. I will support anything at all that the average gank bear opposes because it's supposed to be a sandbox, and they took almost all of the sand and buckets for themselves and are now wondering why no one else wants to play with them.

The world itself and its supporting game systems needs to be developed. Null and Low sec are dead because of the PvP dynamics. Honestly, I wonder if High Sec was made safer (impossible to gank profitably) if more people would not move out of it. Sure, your helpless targets would not move out of it, but maybe your PvP minded pilots would, so they could fight eachother instead of popping soft targets because it's cheap and easy. The point of MMO games is supposed to be that worlds continue to be developed past initial release day due to profit motive. EVE's world hasn't seen 10+ years of development, parts of it play like it's still in early beta--- but dang we sure can find 1000 permutations of how to shoot eachother.

To everybody whose want to kill each other please go to a corner in a system of low or null sec and kill each other, let EvE 100% sandbox as it is and do not intorduce WoW trash in our game.

I agree with the general notion of wrong/failed/slow development; however, I strongly disagree with arenas as a way to fix anything connected to that as well as that arenas do not push people into arenas. When I take my Geddon and fly around low sec, recently I had to fly half a dozen jumps to find someone on a gate, and another couple of jumps to get engaged. Apparently, this is too much to ask from most people.
Arenas are not even a bandaid to the general problems that people like you and Dror try to picture, not even if you take despicable arguments like increased sub count as basis, arenas will only make matters worse and people like me will have an even harder time to find people to fight.

Besides, EVE is setup and advertised as a world (EVE is not a game, it never was and certainly will never be. It is a serious hobby like collecting stamps, building and flying around with model helicopter/drones or gardening) where it is the responsibility of the players in the majority to provide the the content that you want to see developed by the developer. If players do not want to provide content anymore (all the people who join CFC, for instance, deny the game content. Don't argue with me about that, I won't discuss this point further. ), have nothing better to do with their play time than to find and exploit any given game mechanic to the worst possible degree, do not want to put effort into creating activities and only want to consume or have nothing better to do than to ruin player setups for tournies or somesuch, it is not the fault of the game or developer, it is only the players fault. Arenas do not fix that, they merely apply a thin patch work over the problems in an attempt to distract the players from their self-created problems.

An arena would not be a fix for anything. It's simply something else to do in what is supposed to be a wide world of things to do. Your point is literally that you don't want something like this in game because many people would rather PvP on their own terms rather than yours and you want them forced to play your way rather than in a way they would choose. You want all the tools removed from the sandbox except the ones you like to play with, and no new ones added that would likewise give other kids a choice of who and how to play other than with you in your way.

It won't fix lowsec, or null sec because nothing can. The vast majority of human kind do not like suprise buttsex. Remove the suprise nature and a great many will indulge in it with you. You want to fix those areas of space, then do something about the problem (predatory gankbears) instead of trying to force unwilling victims into your slaughterhouse.

But regardless, fewer choices are bad for the game. More choices are good for the game. If your playstyle can't compete, then the problem lies with you, not with everybody else.

SWG was terrible from the very beginning. Another example of a game that wanted to rely solely on emergent gameplay for content and saw very little real development, and that was done very poorly.

You were expected to be an ordinary person in an extrodinary universe.

There were also theme park battle arenas in from the very start and no one used those hardly at all.