EVE Alliance Tournament Discussion

Rive called it guys
he's so smart

There's a simple elegant player-driven solution to this:

If you fly for Warlords or Camel and you believe DHB Wildcat then leave.

Make a new team based on high competitive standards and integrity.

Many of the players involved in this have outstanding reputations - eg Chessur, Suitonia, Bluemelon - so if you don't want to be on a team that cheats, don't want to risk being permabanned or disqualified simply ditch the cheats and go your own way.

There is none

Hold the phone. No one is saying they should be exempt. You know the game they were playing almost as well as I do, youre obviously not stupid, throwing this in my face isnt going to get a rise from me.

Again, they deserve to be punished, but throwing the book at them will do nothing but invonvenience them. Banning them just means they have to train a few alts for a year. My suggestion of splitting the prizes up more evenly means we aren't getting an advantage, and they lose some of theirs. It also pulls more teams in to the AT ship pool 'family'.

Of course everyone is pissed off about this. Understandably. I and others have been sure about it for at least a year. Maybe we're coming at this from a more clear headed angle?

These revelations are shocking and such behaviour is totally unacceptable in Eve Online, the game of honourable fair fights and gentlemanly conduct.

Armor Hacs, ARMOR hacs, ARRRRRMOR HACS!!!!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-kGGW0UlPA

thats not been done in the past though. If they did it would work. I still dont think a lot of them would care, most of their best pilots have more or less burned out now anyway.

Still, this doesnt actually fix anything. It doesnt change the fact that someone could still communicate with a practise partner, share all setups, and get to the finals. this is the real problem.

Escalating punishments until the crime no longer justifies the time is pretty much their only option, outside of scrapping the Alliance Tournament altogether.

The problem becomes when these teams consistently bring the same setups to every match like hydra did. We saw virtually nothing from either team except TFI variations until almost the finals, or when they faced us. The reason this is so important is smaller teams tend to not have as strong a theorycrafting base, or the pilots available to run thousands of hours of tests like ourselves or hydra do. This means the smaller teams end up monitoring the bigger team's meta chain, to see what setups are likely to be strong.

This is huge for the smaller teams, as copying setups is a key part of getting to the later stages of the tournament for them. It's a shortcut, it means they dont have to spend thousands of hours testing new ideas, new comps, ect. I was spying on nulli this year, watching their undock ect (no hard feelings lawl), and they are a perfect example of how a good team does it. They saw hydra's setups, and instead of spending thousands of hours making their own meta chain, they skipped a lot of steps, borrowed all of hydra's teams, and flew the hell out of them to improve them as much as possible.

This year, by reducing the number of setups they revealed, not only did hydra stop every single team from doing this, and massively reduced their chances of beating them, but they also did it with two teams, doubling their chances of getting at least one to the finals. What we ended up with was effectively the same team, except flying twice in the finals. We had to face one of them, beat them, kill their flagship, and then in a very short time period, had to face them AGAIN, have to beat them again, and kill their flagship again. Our entire team was exchausted, stressed, and put at a massive disadvantage. We had to play 6 matches against them, while they only had to play 3, as new pilots and all new ships were drafted in after the first three matches.

This is a problem in itself, but the real kicker is the fact they deliberately communicated to reduce the amount of setups shown, they deliberately communicated which bans to pick, and set out the strategy between the two teams to get them into the finals. Everything was shared, everything they did was intentional (i wouldnt be surprised if dropping one into the losers bracket was planned too). This to me, is collusion. However, not as CCP defines it. I feel this is as bad however, as sharing ships, fixing the finals (it didnt matter at that point anyway other than it saved them a bit of isk having to field more uniques), and generally doing so, so blazenly that everyone knew but could do nothing about it.

What we need to see is the proof that they fixed the final matches, and shared the winnings. Everything else is technically irellevant for the 2015 tournament. however, the collusion which is technically collusion but not really because fozzie doesnt understand how important it is, is the thing that really need to change.

So, you are basically accusing Hydra and Camel for being better than 'smaller teams'.