Missions & Complexes

yea they do seem to miss often without any tracking speed scripts, however I think a lot of that is just the difference between mwd speed and orbit speed. Often once it gets into a cloud of frigs, it head shots most of them. And for the most part a grazing hit will kill a npc frig. But when it is mwding at the frigs, it usually misses the first few hits while it slows down. I just did two missions quickly on an alt. Next I want to try two omnis with optimal scripts, as that way I think the gecko will shoot from further out on approach and mitigate some of that orbit issue. Also might mitigate some of the issue with the gecko slow boating to a nearby target.

Here's what I would change:
1. Highs. Switch the Faction rapid launchers launchers to T2. There's little if any advantage in going with a launcher that has a faster rate of fire since you're going to be losing more DPS to lost volleys anyway.
5x Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II
1x Drone Ling Augmentor II

2. Mids. There's way too much tank for your average L4, and you can get away with a medium shield booster (a lot cheaper, cap stable and frees up your rigs).
1x Shadow Serpentis 500MN Microwarpdrive
1x Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability
3x Pithum C-Type EM, Thermal and Kinetic amplifiers
1x Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
1x Large Micro Jump Drive -or- 1x Cap Recharger II

3. Lows. The third BCU is going to give diminishing returns, so I would instead substitute a Missile Guidance Enhancer or third Drone Damage Amplifier II.

4. Rigs. 3x Hyperspacial II to increase your warp speed or 3x Large Core Defense Field Extender II to increase tank and passive shield recharge.

Rubbish. The best damage from the RS has always been 3 x BCU & 3 x DDA.

Even more info to process :)

Im well aware of all the bling and im going to cut down on it , it just happened bought some part here and some there wasnt planned :) Im currently training for T2 launchers and i have T2 shield skills done will change a lot tonight :)

Please all here do also post your pve fittings , would be fun to see ! you all seem to know what you are talking about !

Made a "budget" RS aswell gonna try it out :D (For mission 4)

Thinking of perhaps some passive shield def field ? thermic/ kinetic for more passive tanking or chaning one invul II against more thermic res.

What you think ?

34k shields
1100 dps
Shield Resist 60/65/75/78

[Rattlesnake, Cobra]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

500MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
'Copasetic' Particle Field Acceleration
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender

'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5
Caldari Navy Warden x2
Berserker II x2
Federation Navy Garde x2

Drop sentries and orbit them to reduce incoming damage to your ship by a degree and to stay closer to the drones in case you need to recall for damage mitigation. Recalling drones to move to another location can be problematic in some missions.

To one degree or another all drones ships will slow your mission completion times relative to the other options so keep that in mind. If you want to run missions as quickly as possible or blitz them drones ships are not a good option.


From your point of view the Gecko are better, I disagree with that. I ran missions with the Gecko in the Rattle when they first came out and it slowed my completion times relative to my normal sentry / mediums / lights drones loads. When they re-balanced the Rattle and I had to re-figure what worked best for me I tried the Gecko and again they slowed my completion times. I compared them to various flavors of mediums and found no advantage over the mediums and with both options slowing completion times relative to the sentries I parked both the mediums and the Gecko.

The bottom line is I offered what I think is a better option overall and I will leave it to the OP to test for themselves and determine what works best for them. If they like the sentry / lights option then fine I have helped them to find something that works and it is significantly less ISK than your options. If they do not like it then they can go buy a Gecko and try it your way and see if that works for them.

fair enough. I agree sentries are nearly always the right choice, but I find the gecko to be useful in some situations and there is plenty of drone bay for 4 sentries, a gecko, and a flight of lights. That said if prices keep going up the cost of the dang thing might become an issue at some point.

Passive tanking is kind of an all or nothing kind of deal. I am also not aware of any situation where dual tanking (active/passive, armor/shield, buffer/pulse) is a good idea.

For a passive fit you are looking at using 3 defense field purgers and at least 3 large shield extenders in the mid slots. Passive resist modules for if you are expecting super heavy neuts (so mostly a pvp thing) so active hardners are perfectly fine for a mission passive fit. 2-3 hardners and a shield recharger and prop mod depending on mission. In the lows you'll probably have to sacrifice some damage amps for shield power relays. That should give you a solid passive tank of 400-500.

Pulse active tank you'll want to use an X-Large shield booster (Pith c-type is like 30mill, super effective), 2-3 shield hardeners, maybe a shield boost amp if you're only using 2 hardeners and a capacitor booster with cap 800 charges. You can then dedicate your rigs to application or warp speed (rigors, flares, missile speed, hyperspasial velocity rigs) and all the lows for damage application.

A common newbro tip is to put in a Damage Control in the lows to give you a bit of extra breathing room if you mess up a trigger. It's usually replaced eventually on most fits.

Sure thing, I haven't run it myself because as you say, the pulse fit is more aggressive and that's a bit more what I like (you should see my marauder fits, Polarized woo!). Someone might have a bit more experience with a passive fit and I know with the rattle changes a year or so ago it fell out of favor a bit. Might still be a thing for C4s that have heavy neuts in them?

[Rattlesnake, Passive]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
500MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
Shield Recharger II

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II

Hobgoblin II x5
Gecko x1
Curator II x2
Garde II x2

Has a 551 omni tank, can boost that with using specific hardeners depending on the NPCs

Obviously you can use whatever launchers you want but you'll suffer on application with cruise.

Edit: On the upside because of the huge buffer tank (115k ehp non OH) you can probably chuck at least 500mill worth of bling on here, if not more without a single care about getting ganked. Full faction damage mods and a nice dedspace MWD. Maybe even replace the two T2 invuls with a single dedspace one for a paint or missile guidance comp.

Re Hi sec 'suicicde' ganking. Barring you doing something stupid like aggressing first in response to a 'yellow' action(read up on how hi sec aggro mechanics work) any ship that attacks you in hi sec unprovoked will summon concord within a certain time based on the system security rating. .5 being the lowest means that concord will take the longest to arrive. this gives the gankers more time to shoot at and kill you. Common ships you will see that take part in this are galente and minmatar destroyers and arty tornados. The gankers do NOT get insurance payouts. This means the loot (or just tears) are the only reward they will get, unless you have a bounty on you as well.

Now the higher your EHP the more ships they need to kill you means they need you to drop more loot or it's not *financially* viable to gank you. So if you have low EHP but a lot of bling they need only a few thrashers or catalysts and have a decent chance at a good payout. The higher your EHP the more bling you can get away with.

WHs of course have no concord or limitaitons on bubbles etc. Very dangerous. expect to lose your ship eventually. I'd probably only fly cheap dedspace and/or T2 only in WHs