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A Legal Question
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Will Gauss
TerminalDogma
Lucky Starbase Syndicate
#1 - 2015-09-12 04:03:06 UTC
For labor reasons, my first science officer of my Thanatos carrier cannot be terminated without a valid reason. Something tells me being a fan of teenage angst bands and playing it so loudly I can hear it in my pod is not a valid reason.

Is it considered a constructive discharge by the Gallente Federation if I assign my first science officer eleven million Fedos as a pet and require that all crew keep all of their pets in their quarters at all times?
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#2 - 2015-09-12 04:29:13 UTC
Actually, the angst band thing is grounds for summary execution. No need to stink up your ship with fedos. Besides, have you seen those things mass? Your carrier would have a hell of a time moving...

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Naraish Adarn
Alexylva Paradox
#3 - 2015-09-12 04:59:10 UTC
i take it you didnt include the "owner/captain of the ship reserves right for summary discharge and dismissal of contract and any point in time" in the contract
Goldfinch
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-09-12 06:00:32 UTC

Not everything in life needs a legal solution (gasp!).

You could simply introduce this young, impressionable science officer to music you personally think is better.



Though we are not sure we are fit to judge this person. On occasion we find ourself blasting My Charmerout Romance on a pair of headphones while crossposting animated cat pictures on Spacebook and Galnet+.

\J/

veiled and bound

my origin story (on eve-backstage)
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-09-12 06:00:36 UTC
Gallentes are always unprofessional like that.
In the State we have a noise limit that is set for every crew member. They can be punished or discharged from duty for violation of allowed boundary of noise generation quota.

Regulations are to be followed.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-09-12 06:49:56 UTC
Goldfinch wrote:

Not everything in life needs a legal solution (gasp!).

You could simply introduce this young, impressionable science officer to music you personally think is better.



Though we are not sure we are fit to judge this person. On occasion we find ourself blasting My Charmerout Romance on a pair of headphones while crossposting animated cat pictures on Spacebook and Galnet+.



People still use headphones? I thought the Egonics implants made headphones obsolete by now.

Just listen to mechano-swing. That smooth voice accompanied by the sound of piston-driven wind instruments and the hissing of steam vents. Exquisite.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2015-09-12 06:49:57 UTC
I am not sure why you would like to comply to federal rules when capsuleers are not even bound by them, especially when it comes to what happens inside their own ships...?
Quattras Peione
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-09-12 06:58:31 UTC
As this crewman is in a Thanatos, you're not flying in patrolled space, and probably outside the jurisdiction of any of the Big Four.

Ask him if he thinks his music would sound as good in a vacuum. I'm sure he'll catch your meaning.

Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione

No, I'm not that kind of doctor.
Solu Terona
Alexylva Paradox
#9 - 2015-09-12 07:40:03 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Gallentes are always unprofessional like that.
In the State we have a noise limit that is set for every crew member. They can be punished or discharged from duty for violation of allowed boundary of noise generation quota.

Regulations are to be followed.


I may have to take this idea, i don't mind noise but lots of it at once makes my trigger finger itch.

Humans must eventually break out from the limits of biology, its not radical to accept the inevitable.
Solu Terona
Alexylva Paradox
#10 - 2015-09-12 07:42:30 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Goldfinch wrote:

Not everything in life needs a legal solution (gasp!).

You could simply introduce this young, impressionable science officer to music you personally think is better.



Though we are not sure we are fit to judge this person. On occasion we find ourself blasting My Charmerout Romance on a pair of headphones while crossposting animated cat pictures on Spacebook and Galnet+.



People still use headphones? I thought the Egonics implants made headphones obsolete by now.

Just listen to mechano-swing. That smooth voice accompanied by the sound of piston-driven wind instruments and the hissing of steam vents. Exquisite.


ohhh Elmund, There is often nothing quite like a physical interface, you like your holo or mind controlled keyboards? wait till you try Mechanical switches.

Humans must eventually break out from the limits of biology, its not radical to accept the inevitable.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2015-09-12 07:57:39 UTC
Solu Terona wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Goldfinch wrote:

Not everything in life needs a legal solution (gasp!).

You could simply introduce this young, impressionable science officer to music you personally think is better.



Though we are not sure we are fit to judge this person. On occasion we find ourself blasting My Charmerout Romance on a pair of headphones while crossposting animated cat pictures on Spacebook and Galnet+.



People still use headphones? I thought the Egonics implants made headphones obsolete by now.

Just listen to mechano-swing. That smooth voice accompanied by the sound of piston-driven wind instruments and the hissing of steam vents. Exquisite.


ohhh Elmund, There is often nothing quite like a physical interface, you like your holo or mind controlled keyboards? wait till you try Mechanical switches.


Well, when you have all kinds of chrome stuffed into and around your flesh body, using analogue starts to become very inconvenient.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-09-12 08:14:42 UTC
Will Gauss wrote:
For labor reasons, my first science officer of my Thanatos carrier cannot be terminated without a valid reason. Something tells me being a fan of teenage angst bands and playing it so loudly I can hear it in my pod is not a valid reason.

Is it considered a constructive discharge by the Gallente Federation if I assign my first science officer eleven million Fedos as a pet and require that all crew keep all of their pets in their quarters at all times?



The proposed solution would probably fall foul of the laws on ethical treatment of animals. Fedos should not be subject to such music either.

If you consider yourself subject to Federal jurisdiction, you would have a number of options under the law. I would consider the noise abatement regulations pertinent, but you could consider a whole range of military code violations if you wanted. Remember, the Federation believes in personal liberty up to the point where it infringes on the liberties of others. Refusal to accept reasonable conditions is grounds for terminating a contract of employment.

I'm amazed even that sound carries into the pod. Less nanofiber structure might be another solution.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2015-09-12 08:41:09 UTC
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
Will Gauss wrote:
For labor reasons, my first science officer of my Thanatos carrier cannot be terminated without a valid reason. Something tells me being a fan of teenage angst bands and playing it so loudly I can hear it in my pod is not a valid reason.

Is it considered a constructive discharge by the Gallente Federation if I assign my first science officer eleven million Fedos as a pet and require that all crew keep all of their pets in their quarters at all times?



The proposed solution would probably fall foul of the laws on ethical treatment of animals. Fedos should not be subject to such music either.

If you consider yourself subject to Federal jurisdiction, you would have a number of options under the law. I would consider the noise abatement regulations pertinent, but you could consider a whole range of military code violations if you wanted. Remember, the Federation believes in personal liberty up to the point where it infringes on the liberties of others. Refusal to accept reasonable conditions is grounds for terminating a contract of employment.

I'm amazed even that sound carries into the pod. Less nanofiber structure might be another solution.


Quite frankly, I'm surprised anyone can hear anything from inside the capsule and all. Our flesh body is put in stasis while in a pod and our sensory inputs has to come in from ship sensors. We shouldn't even be able to hear a damn thing inside our ship corridors either.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-09-12 08:49:45 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:


Quite frankly, I'm surprised anyone can hear anything from inside the capsule and all. Our flesh body is put in stasis while in a pod and our sensory inputs has to come in from ship sensors. We shouldn't even be able to hear a damn thing inside our ship corridors either.


I think it's probably memory retention. You know, when a piece of music keeps popping up in your head unbidden, even though the environment is silent - like that infernal dance tune of a few years back. (Great, now I can hear it again).

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2015-09-12 09:24:28 UTC
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:


Quite frankly, I'm surprised anyone can hear anything from inside the capsule and all. Our flesh body is put in stasis while in a pod and our sensory inputs has to come in from ship sensors. We shouldn't even be able to hear a damn thing inside our ship corridors either.


I think it's probably memory retention. You know, when a piece of music keeps popping up in your head unbidden, even though the environment is silent - like that infernal dance tune of a few years back. (Great, now I can hear it again).


Dance it off or something.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2015-09-12 10:34:49 UTC
Solution 1: Airlock
Solution 2: The Brig
Solution 3: Maroon in a station somewhere

You can put "Threaten to" before each if you're feeling extra-merciful. Most of all, he should treat your words "stop it" as holy and immediately cease without the need to resort to a threat. If he doesn't, it usually means he's on a collision course with quick and tragic demise - probably depressed to boot. Better just apply solution 1 and get a new one, they're cheap anyway.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2015-09-12 10:44:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Trii Seo wrote:
Solution 1: Airlock
Solution 2: The Brig
Solution 3: Maroon in a station somewhere

You can put "Threaten to" before each if you're feeling extra-merciful. Most of all, he should treat your words "stop it" as holy and immediately cease without the need to resort to a threat. If he doesn't, it usually means he's on a collision course with quick and tragic demise - probably depressed to boot. Better just apply solution 1 and get a new one, they're cheap anyway.


Solution 4: Soundproof his quarters. Pad the walls thick enough that he can't sit in it for more than five minutes without suffocating.

Solution 5: Just ban all audio devices, or implement maximum sound limit regulations, of which violation results in pay cuts and/or discharge.

Solution 6: Duct-tape over-ear headphone cans to his head with our state of the art Tech II Matari Duct Tape. Or our prototype Tech III Matari Duct Tape: Slaver-jaws strength.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Rook Moray
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-09-12 14:48:51 UTC
Solution 7: Cut all power to his quarters. If he complains, cut the life support. It's your ship. In space, you're the only law.

“When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.” -Guristas Proverb.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#19 - 2015-09-12 14:59:43 UTC
And this is why everyone should use slave crews and just execute the crew you want to execute without due process. Amen. Amarr Victor.
Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#20 - 2015-09-12 15:14:46 UTC
Rook Moray wrote:
Solution 7: Cut all power to his quarters. If he complains, cut the life support. It's your ship. In space, you're the only law.


Nauplius wrote:
And this is why everyone should use slave crews and just execute the crew you want to execute without due process. Amen. Amarr Victor.


And Nauplius neatly demonstrates why, Captain Moray, whilst you may be technically correct, natural and moral law still applies to us all lest we become monsters.

Just because you can behave as judge and executioner, does not mean you should. The application of law - whichever system you adhere to and contract to observe with your crew - is essential to civilisation.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
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