Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There is some mileage in the viewpoint of missile damage type lock making for choices, but it is far more appropriate when discussing the Guristas ships that have a thermal and kinetic lock.

A pure kinetic lock leads to decisions such as engage or warp away. And little else.

Therefore, retain damage lock on Caldari ships, but add thermal, with the lore explaination that caldari obtained the services of Guristas scientists and outbribed the Guristas recruiters to gain their loyalty.

Edit:- should one wish to retain the uniqueness of guristas, lock caldari to Kinetic And EM. This still gives interesting and viable choices, to both target and agressor, but not as flexible as thermal. Alternatively introduce a new "kinetic" missile with split or additional damage types. I would be excited to see a kinetic missile that also had a Cap drain payload addition. Possibly making it a naval Faction T2 missile will add flavour and interest.

You're wrong - the only thing in the missile damage formula for applying to the enemy target is Signature Radius and Velocity.

Flying at an enemy missile ship who is flying away from you gives them more range, as you're flying into their missiles who then use less of their flight time to reach you. However, you'll take the same damage whether you're flying straight at the missiles as you would if you were orbiting the target at the same speed.

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Omnathious Deninard - I made that comment strictly to respond to the argument that other races are locked into damage types, to debunk the argument that leaving some missile ships with only one damage type is equivalent.

For drones, the 2014 rebalance helped make Amarr and Caldari drones more viable, where the choice previously was basically Gallente for damage, and Minmatar for tracking/speed. I was pretty happy with that rebalance and it seems to be successful considering how many people carry Acolytes instead of Warriors now.

This is one of the things I like about some of the different weapon systems. Where they are not equivalent, but have distinctive advantages and disadvantages, and you have to make a lot of choices to maximize their use.

He is actually correct sir. Missiles actually do more damage to the approaching target by a small margin, this is due to the face that the missiles actually spend less time approaching their target, which theoretically translates to a marginal damage per second increase the volley damage remains the same, but the target is hit at steadily decreasing intervals as he continues to approach which inversely increases the damage done over time.

That, and it's like saying guns have more DPS when they are in range

Strange, i have changed my kinetic missiles to thermal while flying my drake. Never had a pop-up that said "Im sorry sir, CCP only allows kinetic missiles to be fired from these launchers". Can someone show me this notification?

When ive used thermal missiles I could kill pre-nerf 10mn fessors pretty easily with my drake. Caldari have always been kinetic locked, look at gal t2 resist profile. Highest is in kinetic. So if caldari become omni, we change gal to t2 omni profile? Plz dont give more reasons to make gal the master race. Im sure fozzie is just itching for an excuse to have 70-80% resists across the board.

If anything the few remaining kinetic locked ships should get a higher bonus to it. Say 15% damage per level using kinetic. As someone who has flown drakes solo, this is not a huge issue. Ive had to run or disengage against certain fights, but i have to do the same thing in any ship I fly. There is no ship that can take on every scenario, except the orthrus and gila. Which maybe CCP will nerf 2% at a time.

When acs are on a BC and setup for brawling they are tolerable. But BCs provide far better utility than other ships. Same as a drake. Looking at strictly the weapon bonus and not what the ship is capable of is foolish and an easy way to overbuff, because people dont know how to use their brains.

Kiting acs are a different story. But since we are talking about a BC, its irrelevent. What other cruiser is kinetic locked? The nosprey is bonused to all missile damage (just more in kinetic) and the cerb still has the RoF bonus to compensate switching damage profiles. Caracal is rof bonused. So it seems everyone is leaqing because of the drake. A ship i have been flying for years, when people said it was bad, yet have killed loads of frigs, cruisers and t3ds with it using its kinetic bonused missiles or switching to unbonused missiles. The slot layout and MJD plus resist bonus and decent shield HP make it quite competent regardless of kinetic lock.

The idea behind balancing shouldnt be "can it get a kill if the stars align?", it should be "is this a competitive ship?". The answer to the Drake is "its not". Damage locked bonuses can be interesting in the right context, but the Drake has so much competition from all the Caracal hulls its just **** on it.

This is only partially true(re: Transversal). It is (not well) known that missiles actually have a similar effect as fall off in the sense that past a certain range some missiles just do not hit, they simply disappear into nothing. They don't hit for 0 they don't say "missed" they just vanish poof gone. Has something to do with server tick vs flight time i do believe.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/3f38ok/major_bug_with_missile_volleys_completely/

So you can certainly mitigate damage by flying away from missile ships and towards the edge of their range, in addition to the mitigation provided by simply moving at all.