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Really torn between Minmatar and Amarr
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Feriluce
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-12-10 02:06:08 UTC
I'm currently caldari with about 8 mill SP, but I dont really feel like I've chosen the correct race, since I like guns better than missiles, and rails are apparantly not very great atm. The only caldari ship I'm really interested in atm is the falcon, but that would require me to get cruises V, just for one ship, which seems like a waste at this point.

I'm therefore pretty torn between starting to train either amarr or minmatar, as I like both races. I'll probably mainly be looking at flying T2 and evetually T3 cruisers, possibly dabbling in BC's moving on to BS's later on.
My shield and armor skills are at about the same (rather low) level, so thats not realy a deciding factor.

Anyone got any input on what would be best to do in this situation?
Ayianapa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-12-10 02:14:32 UTC
train up both and test battlecruisers with a decent meta fit. trying both yourself is probably the only way you'll find which you prefer.
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-12-10 02:19:39 UTC
Winmatar.
Easier to fit & fly.

Amarr is too frustrating. The Harby can't fit the highest sized medium pulses without serious drawbacks.
mkjkgkvk Melkan
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-12-10 02:20:06 UTC
grass is greener, get yourelf a pimp skilled tengu then cross train min for sub caps or amaar for caps
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#5 - 2011-12-10 02:23:41 UTC
They call it Winmatar for a reason. Good/best ship in practically every sub-capital category.
Pryvate Pile
Doomheim
#6 - 2011-12-10 02:45:02 UTC
I like amarr ships as much as the next fleet smugdog, but for new players the obvious choice is minmatar. They're simply easier to fit and the ship progression is far less punishing for lower sp players. Anyone who argues otherwise has forgotten what it's like to have AWU-0 while trying to fit non-matar ships.
Feriluce
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-12-10 02:47:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Feriluce
How does the loki compare to the legion? The T3 cruiser would probably mark my end goal for now.

Also, would it really be worth it to get caldari cruiser 5 just for the falcon and basically nothing else?

Pryvate Pile wrote:
I like amarr ships as much as the next fleet smugdog, but for new players the obvious choice is minmatar. They're simply easier to fit and the ship progression is far less punishing for lower sp players. Anyone who argues otherwise has forgotten what it's like to have AWU-0 while trying to fit non-matar ships.


Well I do have AWU lvl 2, as I'm nearly done with t2 small rails lvl 4, so getting 3-4 in that shouldnt be too hard.
The main draw to amarr for me would probably be the zealot. Seems like a beastly ship.
Kahldor
Doomheim
#8 - 2011-12-10 02:54:48 UTC
Since you already have caldari skills I would suggest at least keep training until you get a tengu. After that its your choice as to what you train for. If you are around long enough you will eventually have all the races trained.

I started with gallente trained all the way to a Kronos (hybrids aren't so bad now). Then trained caldari originally just for the tengu but ended up stopping at a CNR. Then I trained Amarr all they way to a Paladin. Now I'm working on cap ship skills for a thanatos and archon. Of all the races I use amarr ships the most for missions and incursions along with the tengu for some missions(albeit rarely). And for PVP its drake all the way. I haven't messed with minmatar at all though and won't be on those skills until June Shocked
Feriluce
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-12-10 02:58:36 UTC
Kahldor wrote:
Since you already have caldari skills I would suggest at least keep training until you get a tengu. After that its your choice as to what you train for. If you are around long enough you will eventually have all the races trained.

I started with gallente trained all the way to a Kronos (hybrids aren't so bad now). Then trained caldari originally just for the tengu but ended up stopping at a CNR. Then I trained Amarr all they way to a Paladin. Now I'm working on cap ship skills for a thanatos and archon. Of all the races I use amarr ships the most for missions and incursions along with the tengu for some missions(albeit rarely). And for PVP its drake all the way. I haven't messed with minmatar at all though and won't be on those skills until June Shocked


Thing is though, I dont really feel like flying a missile boat, and whenever someone mentions rails, all I see is "lol failrails", so I'm assuming they're not that great.
Pryvate Pile
Doomheim
#10 - 2011-12-10 03:02:31 UTC
2/10
Feriluce
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-12-10 03:04:56 UTC
Pryvate Pile wrote:
2/10


1/10 for effort. At least try harder if you wish to troll.
Kahldor
Doomheim
#12 - 2011-12-10 03:05:34 UTC
Feriluce wrote:
Thing is though, I dont really feel like flying a missile boat, and whenever someone mentions rails, all I see is "lol failrails", so I'm assuming they're not that great.


Well go lasers or projectiles. I know lasers are good from experience and I would guess people don't call minmatar "Winmatar" for being bad. If you can't decide flip a coin.
Feriluce
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-12-10 03:08:46 UTC
Kahldor wrote:
Feriluce wrote:
Thing is though, I dont really feel like flying a missile boat, and whenever someone mentions rails, all I see is "lol failrails", so I'm assuming they're not that great.


Well go lasers or projectiles. I know lasers are good from experience and I would guess people don't call minmatar "Winmatar" for being bad. If you can't decide flip a coin.


Yea well, thats the plan. I'm just looking for some information on the strong points of the 2 races.
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2011-12-10 03:17:34 UTC
Feriluce wrote:
How does the loki compare to the legion? The T3 cruiser would probably mark my end goal for now.

Also, would it really be worth it to get caldari cruiser 5 just for the falcon and basically nothing else?

Pryvate Pile wrote:
I like amarr ships as much as the next fleet smugdog, but for new players the obvious choice is minmatar. They're simply easier to fit and the ship progression is far less punishing for lower sp players. Anyone who argues otherwise has forgotten what it's like to have AWU-0 while trying to fit non-matar ships.


Well I do have AWU lvl 2, as I'm nearly done with t2 small rails lvl 4, so getting 3-4 in that shouldnt be too hard.
The main draw to amarr for me would probably be the zealot. Seems like a beastly ship.


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Kahldor
Doomheim
#15 - 2011-12-10 03:33:02 UTC
Well Amarr

Pros:
Generally have the best damage projection
Instant ammo switching
Infinite ammo if using T1 crystals
Nightmare/Paladin
Scorch
Used heavily in incursion fleets

Cons:
Lasers are cap hungry
Ships/guns are somewhat harder to skill for
EM/Therm damage only
ships are harder to fit


Minmatar (from what I've heard)

Pros:
long range
good tracking
selectable damage
Mach
Ships are naturally fast
guns don't use cap
ships are easier to fit

Cons:
use lots of ammo
will be fighting in falloff most of the time
?
don't really know of any others as I don't personally use them
Julia Connor
P R O M E T H E U S
From Anoikis
#16 - 2011-12-10 03:57:41 UTC
Feriluce wrote:
How does the loki compare to the legion? The T3 cruiser would probably mark my end goal for now.

Also, would it really be worth it to get caldari cruiser 5 just for the falcon and basically nothing else?

Pryvate Pile wrote:
I like amarr ships as much as the next fleet smugdog, but for new players the obvious choice is minmatar. They're simply easier to fit and the ship progression is far less punishing for lower sp players. Anyone who argues otherwise has forgotten what it's like to have AWU-0 while trying to fit non-matar ships.


Well I do have AWU lvl 2, as I'm nearly done with t2 small rails lvl 4, so getting 3-4 in that shouldnt be too hard.
The main draw to amarr for me would probably be the zealot. Seems like a beastly ship.


The legion has better dmg projection and tank compared to a loki. If you run incursions or ahac fleets (pretty rare from my experience) you'll see why. The only thing the loki is good at is runing away and tank flexibility but don't expect anything close to what a tengu, legion or proteus can pull off ... and of course DRONES!!
Vachir Khan
Rugged Ruff and Ready
#17 - 2011-12-10 07:15:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Vachir Khan
Both Amarr and Minmatar are great (also, hybrids aren't that terrible anymore), it all depends on what you want to do and what strategy you like more.

Amarr is the "sit still, have good tank and shoot high dps at range" which translates VERY well to fleet combat but possibly less so to solo PVP. Minmatar does the "agile, fast, lower tank but more options and capabilities" thing, which is ofcourse great for solo. It does take a little bit more effort to fully extract Minnie's potential (simply hitting approach normally won't work, also damage type selection can make a big difference, stuff like that) but if you do it right it's worth it.

There are ofcourse exceptions to this; Crusader, Curse and Slicer to name a few. These ships are fast and work well solo. For PVE they both have good ships but while the amarr one does massive dps it's very limited (again) in different scenarios, the Minmatar one (Vargur) is probably the best well rounded lvl 4 PVE boat in the game.
Fix My Lasers
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2011-12-10 09:14:13 UTC
Feriluce wrote:
I'm currently caldari with about 8 mill SP, but I dont really feel like I've chosen the correct race, since I like guns better than missiles, and rails are apparantly not very great atm. The only caldari ship I'm really interested in atm is the falcon, but that would require me to get cruises V, just for one ship, which seems like a waste at this point.

I'm therefore pretty torn between starting to train either amarr or minmatar, as I like both races. I'll probably mainly be looking at flying T2 and evetually T3 cruisers, possibly dabbling in BC's moving on to BS's later on.
My shield and armor skills are at about the same (rather low) level, so thats not realy a deciding factor.

Anyone got any input on what would be best to do in this situation?


Don't fly Amarr. Every T2 minmatar hull is immune to your lasers. They've got 80-90% resistance to EM while you can't change damage type and they hit you with some damage you have the lowest resist to, like TH or EM.
The only way to perform well is to mount ACs. But some of the ships can't perform well with them.

After the hybrid buff lasers are the weakest weapon system atm - they require a lot and do a little. RIght now Hybrids do the highest damage, best tracking with gallente ships combined and good damage types. Also you can make a good range on blasters with Null. ACs are just good overall: tracking, range, selectable damage types and no cap use.
And don't listen to the newbs, minmatar isn't OP at all. They are just versatile.

Last weekend I had lots of pvp - I was more then happy with my hybrids.

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Takeshi Yamato
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2011-12-10 09:19:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Takeshi Yamato
Minmatar is the best overall PvP race, you'll get lots of good ships training them. Amarr, Gallente and Caldari are PvP specialists - they excel in certain tasks but are overall not as good, you'll get some excellent ships but many others that are so-so.

If you don't care about PvP stay Caldari unless you want to specialize in Incursions, then get a Legion.
Anny Jackson
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2011-12-10 11:49:43 UTC
Train Drake and Tengu and then go Minmatar. But year, it's not a short way, because you'll need good heavy missiles and support skills at least. But heavy missiles is the best pvp weapon anyway, so if even you don't like them you gotta have them trained.
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