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Due to forced standing changes Loyalty Points should all transfer

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#41 - 2015-09-12 00:29:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Sugar Smacks wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Sugar Smacks, could you clarify exactly why you went to the trouble of getting 8.0 standings with 100 NPC corps? I assume it relates to jump clones, but what exactly was the motivation here?


To provide jump clones all over the place, its not a complicated answer.

Getting to consolidate Loyalty points without penalty unlike Concord, would at least make the total screwing i got a little less painful.
You screwed yourself by taking the hard road to jump clones. Jump clones have been easily obtained, without having to grind, for years, by joining Estel Arador for 24 hours and using their standings to drop a JC pretty much anywhere in the universe.

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#42 - 2015-09-12 00:50:08 UTC
There is a way to provide feedback and ask/look for solutions to problems that come with a change in EVE.
And there is: GIMME STUFF COS REASONS AND EVE WILL DIE IF I DON'T GET WHAT I WANT.

Ask yourself , what do you think is more constructive and which one do you belong to?

I am sorry but I am getting really tired of the : WE THE PPL DEMAND - attitude.

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
#43 - 2015-09-12 03:49:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Sugar Smacks wrote:
So because CCP removed content on me of which I had no choice, then added no new content for me, I am now stuck with loyalty points scattered all over the galaxy

What content did CCP remove from you with nothing new?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#44 - 2015-09-12 09:39:24 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly has changed about standings and LP recently that warrants this thread?

Nothing has change about LP; the only thing that has changed about standings is that you no longer need 8.0 to install a jump clone. The OP was under the belief that he needed a ton of corps in order to install his jump clones, when all he needed was one, from which he could install new clones and position as needed. Nothing was removed from the OP.

Sugar Smacks wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Sugar Smacks, could you clarify exactly why you went to the trouble of getting 8.0 standings with 100 NPC corps? I assume it relates to jump clones, but what exactly was the motivation here?

To provide jump clones all over the place, its not a complicated answer.
It's not complicated, no — just senseless.

You needed one corp, at most, to 8.0 to have jump clones all over the place. Fewer if you were willing to use player services.

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Getting to consolidate Loyalty points without penalty unlike Concord, would at least make the total screwing i got a little less painful.
But you weren't screwed. You just didn't read up on the mechanics involved — that's not something CCP can (or even should) compensate you for. You lost nothing. No content was removed from you. You made a mistake based on unfamiliarity of the game, and that's sad, but now you've learned a valuable lesson: figure out how stuff works before trying to mass-process it.

Also, so what if you have LP all over the place? With 100 corps, it's less than 50k LP, which isn't even worth any significant amount of ISK.

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Xeltec services
#45 - 2015-09-12 18:36:49 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Yang Aurilen wrote:
I'm sure he's talking about that 5 LP with Imperial Shipments and that 210 LP with The Scope and every other NPC corps with EVE. It's like having loose change from all the countries you visited and you can't get rid of them because they're permanently stuck in your wallet until you use them but they're not enough to actually buy anything.

That was my first impression too, but that one has been a problem since, oh, probably around 600 BC or so when, according to Google, the first standardised coins (and thus loose pocket change) were invented. P

It certainly hasn't anything to do with standings.


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#46 - 2015-09-13 03:36:54 UTC
As much as I love PVE and missions, and hope CCP will continue to give attention to PVE players in the game, I consider this a non-issue. It may be inconvenient on one end, but having access to Jump Clones anywhere sounds like a better deal than having to grind JUST for that. Maybe CCP should transfer all unusable LP to CONCORD or something, but that hardly merits so much anger. I'd rather not make the rest of the EVE community laugh at PVE players and marginalize them for getting so worked up about little things, and then when PVE really has an issue or is being neglected, it becomes a Boy-who-cried-wolf scenario.
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#47 - 2015-09-13 04:14:42 UTC
OP before you go i would appreciate you contracting your stuff to this char.

If so thanks.

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Caldari State
#48 - 2015-09-13 05:02:10 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Sugar Smacks wrote:
If you believe I took around 100 corporations to 8.0 standing just to have a few hundred loyalty points you are sadly mistaken.

Its best to learn about a subject before commenting.


you did what!? Shocked



To the folks that continued to harangue and meringue the OP, you just don't understand DEDICATION! (and also the possibility of finding the OP in a very blinged-out Marauder because of all that isk they piled up)


I took all the corps to 5 or above on an alt, but that's because I wanted all the L4s available. Because I like it that way. P
pyroxer reaper
TunDraGon
The Initiative.
#49 - 2015-09-13 05:12:42 UTC  |  Edited by: pyroxer reaper
Removing the need to grind standings or corp dropping for a spare clone was the best "mistake" CCP ever made. jump clones are too useful to be restricted like that. However I see the point you are trying to make, that you did all the work for that specific goal then... BAM! how you like these apples lol.

It would be cool to see standings have more purpose in eve, to give players from all the different profession's a reason to have good standings with at least 1 corp/faction

If people are putting in the effort to get 9.0-10.0 standings there should be some really nice incentives to get that. If CCP ever plan to add more burner missions and other PVE content through agents I hope they would make it worthwhile 1st.

What id like to see
Miners get better refining rates and better ores/yields from mining missions
Locate agents take less time to cool down and take less time to send you a mail
Get more LP for running missions and LP prices get lowered at very high standing lvl
Faction ship skins become available to those who have earned it 10.0 FTW (also for 10.0 id like to see a butler in my captains quarters)
Tax rates gets lowered for trading
( i'm sure there is alot of options in eve where standings can help you and not be that big of a deal if you don't have them)

and with all the new structures coming to eve i wonder if there will be an ability to earn standings to use with player owned things
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#50 - 2015-09-13 05:37:08 UTC
Joia Crenca wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Sugar Smacks wrote:
If you believe I took around 100 corporations to 8.0 standing just to have a few hundred loyalty points you are sadly mistaken.

Its best to learn about a subject before commenting.


you did what!? Shocked



To the folks that continued to harangue and meringue the OP, you just don't understand DEDICATION! (and also the possibility of finding the OP in a very blinged-out Marauder because of all that isk they piled up)


I took all the corps to 5 or above on an alt, but that's because I wanted all the L4s available. Because I like it that way. P

Probably quicker and easier to get faction standings to 5. I'm not sure how well that works for all the various factions, but can be done with many of them. that said way too much effort to balance all them imo, if I need to fix one group specifically I'm sure I can in rather short order.

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Amarisen Gream
Pleasant Peninsula Productions
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#51 - 2015-09-13 06:28:28 UTC
Just from reading the front page

You all forgot the high-sec POS requirements with standing. Those where a much greater lose to people in reasons to grind standings.

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The Bag Cartel
#52 - 2015-09-13 07:25:21 UTC
pyroxer reaper wrote:
Removing the need to grind standings or corp dropping for a spare clone was the best "mistake" CCP ever made. jump clones are too useful to be restricted like that. However I see the point you are trying to make, that you did all the work for that specific goal then... BAM! how you like these apples lol.

It would be cool to see standings have more purpose in eve, to give players from all the different profession's a reason to have good standings with at least 1 corp/faction

If people are putting in the effort to get 9.0-10.0 standings there should be some really nice incentives to get that. If CCP ever plan to add more burner missions and other PVE content through agents I hope they would make it worthwhile 1st.

What id like to see
Miners get better refining rates and better ores/yields from mining missions
Locate agents take less time to cool down and take less time to send you a mail
Get more LP for running missions and LP prices get lowered at very high standing lvl
Faction ship skins become available to those who have earned it 10.0 FTW (also for 10.0 id like to see a butler in my captains quarters)
Tax rates gets lowered for trading
( i'm sure there is alot of options in eve where standings can help you and not be that big of a deal if you don't have them)

and with all the new structures coming to eve i wonder if there will be an ability to earn standings to use with player owned things

I agree that Standings could use more benefits kinda like this. Would have to work it out, though
Amarisen Gream
Pleasant Peninsula Productions
Cauldron of Ecstasy
#53 - 2015-09-13 07:37:47 UTC
Something else I posted before somewhere!

The LP stores are to similar in what the provide across their faction.
Navy stores should supply the BPCs for the items. The other corps could provide racial materials used in those BPCs.

This would divid the ratters up as they would have to find a balance between farming for the BPCs and farming the materials needed to help produce the faction loot.

The customs office corps should have hybrid/other faction goods. I.e. I could run Fed Customs mission for their LP and buy BPCs for Caldari missiles.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#54 - 2015-09-13 08:44:05 UTC
Amarisen Gream wrote:
Just from reading the front page

You all forgot the high-sec POS requirements with standing. Those where a much greater lose to people in reasons to grind standings.

They also had nothing to do with corp standings, LP, or the OP's mistake in grinding 100 different corps to 8.0.
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#55 - 2015-09-13 09:14:22 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Tippia wrote:
The benefits from having standing with a small NPC corporation is pretty much the same as they always were, and they were never particularly relevant.

Also, how are you “stuck” with LP? Why aren't you cashing it in?


Oh yes, now everyone can have F2P what used to be B2P... but hey. It's not as if CCP had a tradition to make PvErs feel relevant, quite the contrary...

Actually this last patch has made PVE more relevant in eve than it ever has been before. Even the Imperium is staging mining ops.

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#56 - 2015-09-13 20:29:41 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Yang Aurilen wrote:
I'm sure he's talking about that 5 LP with Imperial Shipments and that 210 LP with The Scope and every other NPC corps with EVE. It's like having loose change from all the countries you visited and you can't get rid of them because they're permanently stuck in your wallet until you use them but they're not enough to actually buy anything.

That was my first impression too, but that one has been a problem since, oh, probably around 600 BC or so when, according to Google, the first standardised coins (and thus loose pocket change) were invented. P

It certainly hasn't anything to do with standings.

In a way it does.
You could go all over, missioning for everyone, to get standings with everyone, to get benefits of standings. You would cash in the LP as you went, but always ended up with small amounts left over.
Now, with standings mostly irrelevant, there is no reason to do such missioning around. But you are still stuck with all this spare LP.

If he had known standings were going to be made irrelevant, he would have just stuck with one corp, and not had all this spare LP scattered about.

But... Its a small amount of LP. So, so what?

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#57 - 2015-10-06 20:02:53 UTC
Maybe the OP was setting up a Jump Clone creation corp like Estel Arador? And now that idea has been thrashed?
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
#58 - 2015-10-06 20:29:35 UTC
On the plus side that's 100 NPC corps with no ore reprocessing tax.
Mikkir
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2015-10-06 22:00:00 UTC
I know it's the tangent, but it would be nice to have some kind of benefit to not only raising your standing with a single corp, but with multiple corps within a faction.

As it stands now the only time you should even consider going for 10/10 faction/corp standing is if you're a full on station trader, and even then you only really need to do it for a single corp.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#60 - 2015-10-07 08:29:55 UTC
It's an OCD thing. I can sympathize. It would be nice to be able to convert or heck even just remove any and all LP under say, 1k LP. Either as a one time thing or as a mechanic in game. Hell I'd be happy with just a damn filter.

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