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Elmund Egivand - A Furtherin', Iffin Ye Will

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Praezius Vheruk
Gozantii Industries
#21 - 2015-09-10 19:04:39 UTC
"Able Citizen" wrote:
I've never understood the phenomenon of writing the way one speaks. It appears you have an interesting speaking dialect, sir, but does that translate into the written word? Given the state of technology, surely there must be a translation program that can decode your spoken word accurately.


Yer 'ssumin' me techs're idle 't saem poin'n'ti'e, firs'.
Tha' me techs're set tae give saem 'mount o'energy tae otter 'spects o'li'e.
Sadly, 'dis jes' ain't 'de case.

W'en me techs'ave f'nish't 'dey tasks, 'den 'dey'll bae pu' tae 'de use o'de IGS. 'Tills 'den, 'dey'll bae intae 'de t'roes o'pyrox an't sc'rdite reproc, an't intae 'de learnin's o'makin' a betteren missile. W'en me techs 'llow fer me takin' a break, 'den ye'll 'ave yer pielma... yer wishin'.

Hi-edder, dae ye 'ave n'nt'res' n'de topic 't 'and, otter 'den tae ma'e me feel poorer 'den I's am?

To discern faith from falsehood, first one must secure themselves to a lover. Raise the stakes from nightly, to permanent, and faith shall be found at the threshold of one's soul. ( Cup Size < Compassion's Depth, Love = Faith )

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#22 - 2015-09-10 21:39:05 UTC
Praezius Vheruk wrote:
"Able Citizen" wrote:
I've never understood the phenomenon of writing the way one speaks. It appears you have an interesting speaking dialect, sir, but does that translate into the written word? Given the state of technology, surely there must be a translation program that can decode your spoken word accurately.


Yer 'ssumin' me techs're idle 't saem poin'n'ti'e, firs'.
Tha' me techs're set tae give saem 'mount o'energy tae otter 'spects o'li'e.
Sadly, 'dis jes' ain't 'de case.

W'en me techs'ave f'nish't 'dey tasks, 'den 'dey'll bae pu' tae 'de use o'de IGS. 'Tills 'den, 'dey'll bae intae 'de t'roes o'pyrox an't sc'rdite reproc, an't intae 'de learnin's o'makin' a betteren missile. W'en me techs 'llow fer me takin' a break, 'den ye'll 'ave yer pielma... yer wishin'.

Hi-edder, dae ye 'ave n'nt'res' n'de topic 't 'and, otter 'den tae ma'e me feel poorer 'den I's am?

Savage speak is unintelligible.
Learn Napanii - universal standard for business negotiations.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#23 - 2015-09-11 03:52:25 UTC
Saede Riordan wrote:
We're capsuleers, that's our box. We don't need to add loaded words like undead or immortal to the mess.


Yet you are always adding "gods" to it.

Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#24 - 2015-09-11 04:51:35 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Praezius Vheruk wrote:
"Able Citizen" wrote:
I've never understood the phenomenon of writing the way one speaks. It appears you have an interesting speaking dialect, sir, but does that translate into the written word? Given the state of technology, surely there must be a translation program that can decode your spoken word accurately.


Yer 'ssumin' me techs're idle 't saem poin'n'ti'e, firs'.
Tha' me techs're set tae give saem 'mount o'energy tae otter 'spects o'li'e.
Sadly, 'dis jes' ain't 'de case.

W'en me techs'ave f'nish't 'dey tasks, 'den 'dey'll bae pu' tae 'de use o'de IGS. 'Tills 'den, 'dey'll bae intae 'de t'roes o'pyrox an't sc'rdite reproc, an't intae 'de learnin's o'makin' a betteren missile. W'en me techs 'llow fer me takin' a break, 'den ye'll 'ave yer pielma... yer wishin'.

Hi-edder, dae ye 'ave n'nt'res' n'de topic 't 'and, otter 'den tae ma'e me feel poorer 'den I's am?

Savage speak is unintelligible.
Learn Napanii - universal standard for business negotiations.


I'll try to translate.

"You're assuming my tech? are idle it same point of it?, first?
That my tech are set to give the same amount of energy (importance?) to other aspects of life.
Sadly, this just isn't the case.

When my techs have finished their tasks, they they'll be put to use on the IGS. Until then, they'll be into the throes? of the pyroxene? and scordite reprocessing, and into the learnings (research?) of making a better missile. When my techs allow for me to take a break, they you'll have your (no clue).. your wish.

High (seccer?), the? you? have (no clue) on they topic it and?, other then to make me feel poorer then I am?"

I translated the "techs" as techs--people--but maybe it should be technology. I don't know. I think the gist is that he only has so much "techs", so better translation can only happen when he's not mining?

I'm sorry, I really have a very hard time understanding you myself. If you find the conversation tends to flow around you, this is probably why.

If you have any way of adopting a more intelligible tone in intercluster settings, it would cast better favor on the Matari as a whole. There's a time and a place for guttertalk, but it's with friends and drink, not in this forum.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#25 - 2015-09-11 12:30:29 UTC
Thank you, ma'am.
Yet I still don't understand what does this tribal talk about...

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Candi LeMew
Division 13
#26 - 2015-09-11 13:14:05 UTC
Neph wrote:
If you find the conversation tends to flow around you, this is probably why.

Looks like quite the opposite to me.

The conversation becomes about his manner of communicating.

Reminds me a lot of Boss's little sister and why she gave up even trying to socialise with half you people. She gets welcomed with warm, open arms pretty much everywhere she goes, despite her unfortunate handicap, yet the cultured crowds of the IGS won't stand for such unusual speech patterns.

They insist on better translation software, implants or other stuff.

I can understand Mr V just fine n' think those who can't are just plain lazy.

🍌

Remember... in Anoikis Bob Is Always Watching...

"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James

Jade Blackwind
#27 - 2015-09-11 13:46:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
I briefly met a group of miners from Mannar a long time ago. I could swear that some of those guys had almost the same accent as mr. Vherok. I couldn't understand them either.
Kellie Dusette
Division 13
#28 - 2015-09-11 13:48:56 UTC
Mhm. This make for very many true, Ms Candi.

Everytime a Kellie try for make talk in a Summits holochan cannot have even friendly conversations and peoples want for to make fun of Kellie. Tell for get implants, ask for what wrong translator, pry and ask why Kellie have speech defects one. Not that for is any of business theirs can easy find a answers in datafile. But is too lazy to research reasons why just for same too lazy spend extra time decipher a words.

You for ask why for Kellie not get implants in a brain?

You tell a Kellie why for you walk around with silly robot limb, or with scar on face?

You for not find a Kellie say "Oh you face him so ugly with scar, please make genetic code alterations so for I not have to look at it in a IGS one." Kellie is a Kellie, get overs it. Mista V one is a Mista V. How for very many much silly some of you peoples are and how unaccepting of peoples with difference. You should be for shamed, claim for to be culture but when present in face with other form of it go to waters. Turn into this little kids poke finger make fun of difference.

Kellie stay away IGS and Summits. Peoples more friendly to Kellie in other areas Galnet forums, a corp holochan, fleet holochan even mining holochan, anywhere but this community. Kellie ask you spend moment for thinks about that.

As for a topics. Mista V, many peoples sometimes think that for loss of body and this transfer conscious make for loss of soul. Think for dead inside, "undead" ones. But for Kellie know different. Anyones capsuleer who experience love feeling, friendship feeling, even sads know in heart soul alive and everything in place.

Kellie know very many well method make feel of soul, see mind and share a thoughts.

Maybe one day Kellie show you.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#29 - 2015-09-11 14:22:57 UTC
Kellie Dusette wrote:
Maybe one day Kellie show you.

Oh he would be blessed, little beetle.

But don't go giving away all your secrets, hmm?

Dr Borkstar will attest to Kellie's talents though, I'm sure. After she was the only person who could assist in relieving the agony he was left in with a damaged brain-stem and corrupted implants as a result of suffering massive feedback through his ship's systems during Operation Trireme.

She also assists me regularly with my own ... issues.

Anyway, there are some things implants and software can't fix. And even if they could then choosing to stay as true to the 'natural' path as possible shouldn't be a social-crime if you ask me. I too can understand Mr Vheruk just perfectly, and he couldn't be further removed from my heritage if he tried to be. It's comforting to know that though, seeing as I live a life predominantly of isolation, I can still attune myself to foreign dialect better than many in Empire.

Kellie is right, Mr Vheruk. As much as it sometimes feels like it's gone, the soul is still there. We are not dead, nor undead, as those cannot be conscious experiences. Not only that, but a part of us exists on a level far beyond the flesh or consciousness. Beyond our understanding even. Though some of us, like little Kellie, have a natural understanding.

Sometimes keeping things the natural way is best. There is a certain beauty in it.

Granted this is incredibly hard in this day and age though.

Don't spoil that beauty of your own with software or implants to satiate people here. Wouldn't want to risk seeing that delightfully gruff nature of yours tarnished, just as I wouldn't ever wish to risk Kellie's special talents.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Kellie Dusette
Division 13
#30 - 2015-09-11 14:47:00 UTC
Very many much thanks.

Kellie for love you.

Erica Dusette wrote:
But don't go giving away all your secrets, hmm?

Kellie promise.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#31 - 2015-09-11 15:44:29 UTC
The purpose of speech is to share ideas through communication with others. If your mode of speech interferes with that then it's sub-optimal.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Erica Dusette
Division 13
#32 - 2015-09-11 15:55:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Erica Dusette
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
The purpose of speech is to share ideas through communication with others. If your mode of speech interferes with that then it's sub-optimal.

I didn't think there was a standard of communication-efficiency being applied in IGS.

If there was I would find the vast majority of it's inhabitants "sub-optimal".

In far more ways than communication too. This community is it's own worst enemy.

Can't even pull your wits together enough to decipher the post of my friend, it's little wonder you all flail around like disorganized children trying to address something actually significant like Drifters.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#33 - 2015-09-11 16:04:45 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
The purpose of speech is to share ideas through communication with others. If your mode of speech interferes with that then it's sub-optimal.


Most people employ a mode of speech that's sorely inefficient, based on guesses and inferring meaning in someone's words when there's nothing more than what they've said.
Candi LeMew
Division 13
#34 - 2015-09-11 16:10:22 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
The purpose of speech is to share ideas through communication with others. If your mode of speech interferes with that then it's sub-optimal.

I didn't think there was a standard of communication-efficiency being applied in IGS.

Oh there is, Boss.

Why do you think there's a huge swathe of capsuleers just like us who avoid these places like a sickness.

When you start to grade people's communication n' dismiss it because you're too lazy to deal with it then you're not only dismissing anything valuable they might be trying to communicate but you're dismissing them as a person too. You're showing yourself to be the sub-optimal individual in the equation n' just letting the whole community down as a result.

🍌

Remember... in Anoikis Bob Is Always Watching...

"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James

Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#35 - 2015-09-11 16:13:46 UTC
I can easily understand Candi. I can understand Kellie with a bit of thought. I cannot understand Elmund.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Candi LeMew
Division 13
#36 - 2015-09-11 16:40:23 UTC
Of course you can understand me, I speak the truth.

I grew up on the streets, baby. STREETS.

Might be a lil rough around the edges, you know, but I get the message across. I get the job done.

I keeps it real. Twenty four seven, dank fragz n' cap gankserino. Yo feelin' this?

Neph wrote:
I cannot understand Elmund.

I never understood that guy either, to be honest.

He's kinda cute though so I let it slide.

🍌

Remember... in Anoikis Bob Is Always Watching...

"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2015-09-11 17:06:15 UTC
Neph wrote:
I cannot understand Elmund.


Something wrong with my grammar, vocabulary and sentence structure?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#38 - 2015-09-11 17:08:21 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
The purpose of speech is to share ideas through communication with others. If your mode of speech interferes with that then it's sub-optimal.

I didn't think there was a standard of communication-efficiency being applied in IGS.

If there was I would find the vast majority of it's inhabitants "sub-optimal".

In far more ways than communication too. This community is it's own worst enemy.

Can't even pull your wits together enough to decipher the post of my friend, it's little wonder you all flail around like disorganized children trying to address something actually significant like Drifters.


Candi LeMew wrote:
Why do you think there's a huge swathe of capsuleers just like us who avoid these places like a sickness.

When you start to grade people's communication n' dismiss it because you're too lazy to deal with it then you're not only dismissing anything valuable they might be trying to communicate but you're dismissing them as a person too. You're showing yourself to be the sub-optimal individual in the equation n' just letting the whole community down as a result.


Respectfully, why insult all of us because you don't like what Pieter is saying?

You're here, too. You're part of this community. What's more, it seems like you're so busy being offended that you're missing a pretty nuanced truth.

Pieter's not wrong about the purpose of speech, but (1) there are a lot of ways of communicating; (2) some of the things people communicate are things like pride in their native language or dialect; (3) the only way to really communicate "optimally" is with telepathy, which we don't have-- everything else is a crude workaround; (4) many people have other priorities or concerns past communicating optimally; (5) some people have conditions or circumstances that make communication difficult.

All Pieter said is that a mode of speech that interferes with communication is sub-optimal, meaning "not the best" or "not ideal." I agree with that, but I don't think any of us has speech that doesn't interfere with communication. And also, there are other priorities that might be more important. Still, what Pieter is talking about is just what I aim for.

My antecedent used to use language as a weapon. She used complex construction and a large vocabulary to limit her number of opponents and make herself difficult to debate.

I want, and try, to use language differently. I want to communicate more than I want to win.

We all have trouble communicating as well as we'd like to. How much trouble varies, though.

Maybe Pieter meant what he said as a judgment on your friend, or on the OP. Maybe he just meant it as a description of what speech is, as a tool, and how its quality is normally evaluated. Which one, respectfully, isn't clear. I wish you wouldn't judge my friend so harshly, when it's not even clear whether he was saying anything bad about yours.

He didn't communicate optimally. I doubt I have, either. Maybe I should take up poetry, like Scherezad. Maybe then I'd be able to say what I think more gracefully.
Candi LeMew
Division 13
#39 - 2015-09-11 17:13:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Candi LeMew
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Respectfully, why insult all of us because you don't like what Pieter is saying?

Wow, take a look lady. There's like a load more people more focussed on Mr V's speech than just Pieter.

And not only in this galnet thread.

Aria Jenneth wrote:
You're here, too. You're part of this community.

Guess again, lady. We're visiting.

And while Boss still goes to a lot of effort helping direct people to this community, 'cause it's pretty much all there is for capsuleers who wanna socialize, we take no part in it ourselves. These words in this galnet thread are among the very few any of our extended family have bothered to place here in quite a while, 'cause frankly it's not worth it.

Our friend is bein' given a hard time, so ya'll can wear some of the same medicine.

Aria Jenneth wrote:
Ton of other stuff, etc etc, blah blah

I don't really care what you got to say to me or Boss, lady.

Have some remarks for our friend though n' I'll be glad to give you a serve too.

🍌

Remember... in Anoikis Bob Is Always Watching...

"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James

Dani Dusette
Division 13
#40 - 2015-09-11 17:29:40 UTC
Candi LeMew wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Respectfully, why insult all of us because you don't like what Pieter is saying?

Wow, take a look lady.

Don't even bother, Candi.

With Mr Vheruk it's right here in front of them to see, even been spelled out by two of my sisters and yourself. Then even Kellie's detailed the history of prejudice she's encountered and they still don't get it. They never will. That is why we prosper without them, and why I'm sure Mr Vheruk will too should he find them unwilling to accept him for who he is.

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