Science & Industry

Hello everyone,

I place this here because I want to make an Industrial Corporation. PvP Corporation are easy to explain recruitment/joining incentives. For Industrialists it seems a bit more vague.

Some background on myself: I started off mission running, and I liked it. I dabbled in mining, and I liked that also. Eventually I started a second character to haul, and I got into a Hulk, and I started to make nice semi-AFK profits from mining while I studied for University.

I then tried to get into manufacturing, and ran into a problem: You need to research BPOs to make it worthwhile. I tried public slots... waiting 20 days got old fast. I tried joining Corporations to use their POS... they are like dragons hording some hidden treasure... 2 months in a Corp and still not allowed to have access, so I dropped them and just made my own Corp.

Then ran into the problems of standings, so I'm running missions to get 7.0. I think I will have to settle with 5.0, however, and that will be fine. I will be able to put up a POS soon, and will have both of my characters trained for research and manufacturing at that point. I will also have my Orca to mine faster and haul more per trip. I'm developing a nice set up.

But I ran into another problem: Having no one to "play with" is boring. Sure, I can (in time) mine all the minerals I need. I can research my own BPOs and I can manufacture for myself, and when I buy a Freighter I can haul my wares to sell. However, it's boring having no one to chat with.

I want to recruit people to play with but my question is...

Why join a Corporation in EVE? I can see no reason. None of the Corps I ever joined offered me anything I couldn't do for myself. Maybe I'm just too independent-minded for EVE? But I do enjoy social interaction. I want to recruit miners and mission runners. Mission runners are easy; just lower your tax and offer them a free ship after x-amount of time in the Corp: and buy it with the money you made from their taxes. Miners and Indy characters is harder.

Allow me to explain:

Mining, for instance. Why mine for a Corp, when you can make 100% profit mining on your own? And if a Corp has a buyback program, where I buy the ore for better-than-market-cost, then how do I make money manufacturing, since most ships and modules are sold for barely above cost of materials on the market? I would love to have, say, 20 miners in my Corp, all dumping ore into the hangar for me to build ships with and spread the wealth around. But how do I get started, how do I get them to join and keep them?

Ship Replacement: How the heck do I even fund that? Not out of my own pocket of course. From taxes? But then why should they join: It sounds just like an insurance scheme to me. And how will taxes pay for a 200 million ISK Hulk when someone pops it?

Or how about this idea, does this sound like it would work: All the miners donate x% of all their minerals to the Corp. The Corp then takes said minerals and puts them to use manufacturing. At the end of every month, the profits are split 25% to the Corp and the rest spread amongst the players?

I am not sure. I have run guilds/clans in other games but the other games forced you to be social. EVE seems more like a loner's game to me.

Thanks in advance!

Eve allows for both styles. Lots of players no-doubt get solo enjoyment out of playing solo, but corps and alliances do open doors that usually are impossible. I've tried a bit of everything, and personally i think you can only play solo for so long before bordom will lead you to suspending your account.

If you haven't tried living in null-sec, that might be a good idea. Plenty of corps are relaxed about players, and you can spend your days mining, if thats your thing, out in null and make a considerable fortune, and they generally have plenty of POS' which you can do some research on. Just gotta be careful about wars and such.

Another idea would be to find a WH corp, or look to expand your corp into an unowned system. Would solve your POS issues, and as long as you make it a deathstar in a lower class wh, you should be relatively safe, assuming you can afford to fuel it and such. Sure, they'll be players that will pass through that'll try to kill you when your away from your POS, but unless you really **** someone off, they'll leave your POS well alone.

Or continue to amass standing and setup a high-sec POS, and just be ready to take it down if you're wardec'd. (Yawn!)

Alternatively, make a thread in the recruitment part of the forum, and spam the recruitment channel like a mofo for new members!

I myself really need to do that sometime.

They really need to fix up corporate roles. As they are now there are some pretty big obstacles to creating large cooperative industrial corps.

Factory Manager being required to do any manufacturing/research is a huge security hole. Stupidly easy to fix I would think also.

The options for restricting access to material assets are really clunky too. Secure Audit Log Containers are a joke. There is so much potential here for improvement.

Why corporate management tools have been so completely ignored for so long is really quite bewildering, astonishing, perplexing, disheartening... well you get the idea.

Farrina: your main and my main have a lot in common. If you're located anywhere near Sinq Laison, send me some mail and maybe we can hammer out some cooperative plans.

If you want a miner corp in Amarr space I suggest you should give us a message. I believe you get profits for it :)

Why join an industrial high sec corp? For the same reason that you get your friends to come along with you on a long road trip.

To keep you from falling asleep. Yeah your hulk will never veer into a Kansas telephone pole at 11pm. But you can still get ganked.


But on a more economical note, your overall production efficiency goes up when when you have several people specializing on different parts of the construction rather than one person generalizing on the entire process.

You get 10-20 mining guys in hulks with an orca or rorqual giving mining yield bonuses to the whole fleet. Then the mining guys give all their rocks to the one refining guy back in the station who then gives the minerals to the manufacturing guy. Then he combines the minerals with PI stuff from the PI guys and moon goo from the corp POS. Then he runs a blue print from their research agent grinding guy on all those minerals to make a T2 thing that they then hand off to their marketing guy.

Everyone gets a cut, and that individual cut is bigger than what one person would get on their own in the same time.

Someone gets it. Too bad many others ("Okay OP, let's face it. Mining, manufacturing, so on and so forth, are extremely boring") don't.

Thank you for all of the excellent, thoughtful replies. I see I posted this in the right forum.

Well.

I have no problem investing in members (because they will return it, more or less)

And I have no problem teaching new members.

Okay, here's one:

How do I requite knowledgeable, experienced people to "help" newer members? Like "advocates"?

No, no, you misunderstand me. But to be fair I wasn't totally clear. Mining, manufacturing, et al is boring if you don't have a Corporation or people you like to do it with. I agree with everything that Wolodymyr said but he said it better.

BTW, I really enjoy mining. I've got all the necessary skills pretty much maxed out to do it as well. I just can't stand minnig alone or with no real reason. I think I was being unclear and too subtle maybe in my first post. Or you just read that one sentence. Not sure.

In my experience there are two reasons to join a corp.

1. To be Social. I too started out as a solo player. Started with one account, did some mining and missioning, and got a second account to be a hauler. Before I knew it I ran multiple accounts and was ripping into belts with an orca and several hulks/mackinaws. But I eventually got bored with it and decided to join a corp for the social interaction. These days I'm logging in more for the social aspects than the game play.

2. To do something you can't do alone. If you want to do things in low, null, or W-Space (exotic ore/ice mining, super cap building, owning space, etc.) you're bound to need a large group just to be able to defend yourselves and pursue your goal in relative safety. It is possible to rent a nullsec system and do things solo down there because you are paying for some level of protection, but that can get very boring by yourself. I was once part of a group that rented a nullsec system to do some indy stuff but it eventually turned into a solo venture. It was very profitable but also very boring mining ice solo in the far reaches of space.

As for reasons to mine for a corp, in highsec I've seen only two reasons: one is to get boosts from an orca pilot, the other is to gather materials/isk for a corp project. In the first case you're getting a bonus for being in a group, in the second case your working together for a larger goal. That being said, attracting miners hasn't been too hard from what I've seen because many want to take advantage of the Orca support and want a social environment to mine in.

I don't really know how hard or easy it is to keep miners in the corp. One corp I was with had a skill based ranking system and rewards for achieving those ranks. Such a system can be expensive and in this case was unsustainable in highsec. It can also be easily exploited be a miner who comes in and stays just long enough to get whatever incentive is being offered before leaving. I've also seen corps with a lot of miners lose 80-90% of their miners within the first day or two of a wardec, so keeping them around during bad times can be tricky. This all may apply to mission runners too, I don't know.

Having miners give away x% of their haul might be tough. I've seen many corps offer to buy all mined ores/minerals from their miners at a discount (say 5% under Jita), so that might be a good way to work things without running ops. Maybe have open contracts for set amounts of mineral or just have people selling to corp on a weekly or biweekly basis. Something to keep you from getting overloaded with requests from your miners and might be much easier to work with.