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Re-Announcement: (Censored) Tower Now Operational

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Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#101 - 2015-09-13 08:02:00 UTC
Should those involved in this merciful act be minded to further that mercy and allow these unfortunates their deserved freedom, I can offer immediate employment for up to 2,000 on the Kinnison Estates. As part of our vineyard or dairy teams, they would receive excellent wages, residential accommodation with free access to all leisure facilities (including medical care), training and development as well as access to a network of other agricultural corporations in our immediate constellation, should they wish to move on at some point.

Several of our fellow ranchers and farmers have agreed to make the same offer - it's coming up to harvest on many planets here in Solitude, but it should be noted these are all offers of long-term employment, not seasonal - so I believe this community can provide just over 34,000 places of safety. Much of the workforce is Minmatar, and many, many freed and escaped ex-slaves, so there will be lots of cultural and spiritual support.

Many may well be already experienced in this sort of work as there is little surface difference between our operations and those of best-in-class colleague producers in Khanid and Tash-Murkon. The most profitable and enlightened Holders treat their slaves with dignity and almost as kindly as we do our workforce. Save of course, that our workers are paid well, and free to leave as they will.

Well done to those destroying the tower - a stout effort.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#102 - 2015-09-13 08:02:08 UTC
I would argue that forced conversion is, itself, a sin. A simultaneous lack of faith, and immense hubris. If Scripture is the self-evident, inerrant Word of God, then its nature should compel the heathen to acknowledge its truth. If you feel it necessary to force people to submit, then your faith in God's ability to be persuasive without such measures is lacking. And then you compound the sin with incredible arrogance: God, and his word, cannot inspire the slave to faith, but you can?

You can do what God cannot?

And of course, as has been discussed elsewhere, a forced conversion is almost never a true conversion, but only the cringing breakdown of an abused victim, willing to say anything for even the most fleeting relief from torment.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#103 - 2015-09-13 11:08:04 UTC
Maybe we should make a standard time unit equal to time frame between Nauplius tower becoming operational and Nauplius tower becoming nonoperational.

I feel really better knowing that this sort of inhuman perversion and savagery is no more. And I congratulate and send my thanks to our allies and everyone who participated in this operation.

I was surprised to see the diversity of peoples showed up to the tower. And I find it amusing that not just "Doctor" Frenjo Borkstar has joined the operation, but even as infamous person as "Liar Knight" Steffanie Saissore herself.

Mr. Nauplius, you really can spark unusual sides in peoples, even in this pair of Ms. Saissore and Mr. Borkstar.

Anyway, disregarding what you have done before, I'd like to say thanks even to these two infamous individuals.

Good job.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#104 - 2015-09-13 13:38:51 UTC
It is somewhat surprising that this (censored) tower out of all the towers that preceded it seems to have provoked such unanimity and vehemence of outrage.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#105 - 2015-09-13 14:54:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Sinjin Mokk
Arrendis wrote:

From what I've been told, whipping isn't shameful at all. Rather, it's disciplinary, and meant to be used to break down the slave's resistance and will, to make them more likely to simply do as they're told and not voice their own opinions. Making them afraid to speak their minds, even in private, for fear of being reported and put under the lash again... it's a great way to rob their children of the opportunity to ever know their heritage.



From what you've been told.

Toil, hard word, dedication. Yes, these are important. Abuse, neglect and maltreatment aren't. We live in a modern era. In my opinion, an owner who has to resort to physical abuse to "break" their controlled personnel isn't much of a Holder, or a human. They are certainly not following the Will of God.

"As Garrulor rules the skies; as Frisceas rules the sea;
As Emperor rules Holder; as Holder rules Serf;
Yet all under Heaven serve Me;
So shall Amarr rule the worlds of the Heavens."
- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 3.19 - 3.21

It is about developing an order whereby all serves one higher upwards unto God.

Some do resort to the lash. The stupid. The inexperienced. The heretical. These are the ones who abuse those under them and hide behind Scripture as if it absolves them of it. But as the Empress said, that which you give to the Empire will be given back unto you. If you give the Empire a broken and abused slave, you in turn will be equally broken. But if you shepherd your people, gently, wisely, using modern, humane techniques, then you, in turn will be guided to the path of Salvation. We all serve, we all toil and together we all achieve God's grace.

A person who is cowed by fear and hatred cannot make a true decision as to the state of their soul. One cannot make an honest dedication to God if one is under duress. Remove the things that make them hate, remove the pain, concentrate on the work...yes, this makes us all proper servants.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#106 - 2015-09-13 15:43:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Ashlar Vellum
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:
All who sin, pay their penance. Even I have been lashed for my sins.

Lashing is quite a severe punishment especially for a true amarr or you meant "lashing" as a figure of speech?
Arrendis
TK Corp
#107 - 2015-09-13 16:27:25 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
From what you've been told.


Yes. By individuals ranging from clergy to former slaves. Even if you forego the lash in a physical sense, enslavement and forced labor is no less a tool for forced conversion.

If you truly have faith, and truly believe your Scriptures are self-evidently holy and true, then you should need nothing else to Reclaim - merely share the holy word, and the unbelievers will have no choice but to recognize the truths you say are there.

If you cannot do that, then my earlier statement stands: you believe God cannot sway the masses, but that you can do what he cannot.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#108 - 2015-09-13 16:43:17 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
It is somewhat surprising that this (censored) tower out of all the towers that preceded it seems to have provoked such unanimity and vehemence of outrage.

Well ... you're really not the first person to come up with some version of this idea, Nauplius.

Sexual violence probably predates human civilization by a lot. Directed at women, it has a lot of purposes, but all of them rob the victim of something we as women have had to fight hard to gain in every culture I know of: our autonomy and recognized status as equal partners in civilization. Traditional societies have tended to look at us more or less like that: as methods for producing and feeding children, and often not much more than that.

Turning a woman into a factory for babies and milk is a profound insult to her as a sapient creature, but, more than that, it's a reminder of just about everybody's not-so-distant history, a history virtually none of us want to go back to.

Whatever your intentions, your attack on Matari women isn't distinguishable from an attack on women.
Hibou Heluene
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2015-09-13 16:59:16 UTC
I can provide a small aid package for survivors, if needed. I would need a corp to receive the contract and a station for delivery.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#110 - 2015-09-13 17:12:12 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Nauplius wrote:
It is somewhat surprising that this (censored) tower out of all the towers that preceded it seems to have provoked such unanimity and vehemence of outrage.

Well ... you're really not the first person to come up with some version of this idea, Nauplius.

Sexual violence probably predates human civilization by a lot. Directed at women, it has a lot of purposes, but all of them rob the victim of something we as women have had to fight hard to gain in every culture I know of: our autonomy and recognized status as equal partners in civilization. Traditional societies have tended to look at us more or less like that: as methods for producing and feeding children, and often not much more than that.

Turning a woman into a factory for babies and milk is a profound insult to her as a sapient creature, but, more than that, it's a reminder of just about everybody's not-so-distant history, a history virtually none of us want to go back to.

Whatever your intentions, your attack on Matari women isn't distinguishable from an attack on women.


Yes. This is true in a sort of way. People get all hot and bothered about violence against women in a way that they do not get all hot and bothered about violence against men. And so they find this (censored) tower more offensive than, say, my previous tower that crushed slaves of either gender on a Great Winepress of God's Wrath. This behavior is also quite noticeable among slave owners. They whip and beat their male slaves a lot more than they whip and beat their female slaves.

Henceforth, I am going to practice affirmative action in my slave abuse in order to make up for the favorable treatment enjoyed by female slaves. I am going to whip and beat my female slaves more than my male ones. Just because. Amen. Amarr Victor.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#111 - 2015-09-13 17:20:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Nauplius wrote:
Henceforth, I am going to practice affirmative action in my slave abuse in order to make up for the favorable treatment enjoyed by female slaves. I am going to whip and beat my female slaves more than my male ones. Just because. Amen. Amarr Victor.

"Also: Bwahahaha!"

Quote:
Just because.

Aaaaand, my sense of you as a person who might actually be doing awful things out of some (severely) misguided sense of actual spiritual responsibility just went out the airlock.

Maybe we can find a jump bridge for you to hide under.
Jade Blackwind
#112 - 2015-09-13 17:42:53 UTC
Booo. I thought all that time that he was honestly, properly insane. I'm disappoint.

Though what Nauplius certainly did is to set up something that *everyone* in the cluster, save perhaps one truly charmingly mad person (that one is *properly* mad), was happy to destroy. Even Sansha Kuvakei couldn't achieve that level of success.

Congrats are in order, I guess. To everyone involved.

Except the literally countless victims of just another attention-hungry egger.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#113 - 2015-09-13 18:29:40 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
From what you've been told.


Yes. By individuals ranging from clergy to former slaves. Even if you forego the lash in a physical sense, enslavement and forced labor is no less a tool for forced conversion.

If you truly have faith, and truly believe your Scriptures are self-evidently holy and true, then you should need nothing else to Reclaim - merely share the holy word, and the unbelievers will have no choice but to recognize the truths you say are there.

If you cannot do that, then my earlier statement stands: you believe God cannot sway the masses, but that you can do what he cannot.



Again, from what you have been told. Not what you have experienced.

Forced coercion is what it appears to be if you are an outsider. A symbiotic and mutually beneficial relationship on multiple levels is how it feels on the inside.

In many cases, the Word is enough. In others, not so much. The Path of Servitude is a path for all to serve God. And we are God's instrument in this. What lesson would we learn, what lesson would those who serve us and those we serve learn if God just simply made us all automatons?

Why not give it a try? I can make for you a short-term six month contract. Come work for me and see the benefits. Or better yet, I'll sell you some slaves. Some trained and some untrained. You spend the next six months finding humane but effective ways of training them while caring for the others. You spend six months being responsible for them. Make their spirituality important. Once the contract is over, we can talk again. I'd be willing to bet either experience would give you a new perspective on the subject.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Arrendis
TK Corp
#114 - 2015-09-13 18:41:52 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Again, from what you have been told. Not what you have experienced.


That's correct. I have never been enslaved. Have you? I suspect you would kill anyone who tried.

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Forced coercion is what it appears to be if you are an outsider. A symbiotic and mutually beneficial relationship on multiple levels is how it feels on the inside.


How do you know? Have you ever been the slave?

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Why not give it a try? I can make for you a short-term six month contract. Come work for me and see the benefits. Or better yet, I'll sell you some slaves. Some trained and some untrained. You spend the next six months finding humane but effective ways of training them while caring for the others. You spend six months being responsible for them. Make their spirituality important. Once the contract is over, we can talk again. I'd be willing to bet either experience would give you a new perspective on the subject.


Of the two, I'd be more inclined to try the first option - but I'm afraid I have to refuse both.

Six months of ignoring my responsibilities and obligations would not be a situation I, or the people I work with, would consider reasonable. Especially given the nature of the arrangement. It would, in fact, mean I would likely be fatally compromised by the time I returned to my duties.

Nor am I going to force my own spirituality on others in the name of gaining perspective. An individual's personal balance is just that: personal. Be it a relationship with God, finding one's way through Ohnesh, or even being a ridiculous zealot like Nauplius.
Vollhov
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#115 - 2015-09-13 18:45:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Vollhov
Del.
Good luck to all. Cry

End of Time. I'm not fanatic, I'm just a servant by Her Majesty the Empress Jamyl Sarum I. It's time to leave this world to me. YC111 to YC117.12.10 20:00

Markus Error
Manfios
#116 - 2015-09-13 23:49:54 UTC
I feel like Nauppie's sense of self-preservation is locked in a hangar somewhere, shouting "let me out! Let me out! You're making bad choices!"

"If it cannot be shot the #### down, it can always be blown the #### up."

-Unknown

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#117 - 2015-09-14 03:08:28 UTC
Any gender segregation in any topic other than marriage (and thus reproduction) is a perversion worth only gallentean subhumans.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#118 - 2015-09-14 04:45:27 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:

Whatever your intentions, your attack on Matari women isn't distinguishable from an attack on women.


I wonder then, why it is so hard to see an attack on Matari as indistinguishable from an attack on any humans?

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Viktor Revon
#119 - 2015-09-14 06:11:30 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Any gender segregation in any topic other than marriage (and thus reproduction) is a perversion worth only gallentean subhumans.

They are as human as we are, Ms. Kim, the Intaki have even taken our side.

Some of them, anyway.
I have a hatred of the Federation too, but I would not call them subhumans. Some are monsters, yes, but not all.

"Into the dark abyss shall we venture once more." - Viktor Revon

Garnet Grey
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#120 - 2015-09-14 15:16:27 UTC
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
Should those involved in this merciful act be minded to further that mercy and allow these unfortunates their deserved freedom, I can offer immediate employment for up to 2,000 on the Kinnison Estates. As part of our vineyard or dairy teams, they would receive excellent wages.



Without going into the sordid details, I think that these unfortunates have seen all the dairy processes that they ever want to see for the remainder of their lives.