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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2015-09-10 13:17:53 UTC
If you're looting your missions you're doing it wrong.

Art of Explosions
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#42 - 2015-09-10 14:54:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Anize Oramara
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
If you're looting your missions you're doing it wrong.

In anything but a marauder I agree. It's still marginally competitive to do so in a marauder. Not like blitzing competitive but if you're going to clear missions in a marauder, might as well make use of the tractor bonuses and cargo space. Polarized weapons have really given a good sized boost to marauders imho.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#43 - 2015-09-10 20:05:30 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
If you're looting your missions you're doing it wrong.

In anything but a marauder I agree. It's still marginally competitive to do so in a marauder. Not like blitzing competitive but if you're going to clear missions in a marauder, might as well make use of the tractor bonuses and cargo space. Polarized weapons have really given a good sized boost to marauders imho.

Nnononononono!
That extra room is for MOAR CAP BOOOSTAS!

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#44 - 2015-09-10 20:12:36 UTC
Tarojan wrote:
The thing that annoys me most when reading these threads is the posters arguing against cap stabilty, pointing out cap boosters. Have you ever tried actually missioning with a cargo hold full of 800 cap chargers? ever had to loot the mobile tractor unit, warp to station to unload then warp back and traverse 3 gates just to get back to scoop your mtu cos your full?

So much talk about efficiency, but none about quality of life.


marauder has room for both, even then the loot is hardly worth bothering with. on other ships, ewww... no!

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#45 - 2015-09-10 20:13:42 UTC
ps: I think I just threw up in my mouth a little... not sure which is worse, the cap stable bit, or the room for loot part? It causes me physical pain to even think about running missions like that.

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Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#46 - 2015-09-13 04:50:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
elitatwo wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
...the worst Nightmare fits I have seen so far...


Sorry dear but NO. The Nightmare is a very advanced piece of technology and should not be flown by a noob.

Moving on, I don't understand you all. Why do you advise newbies to get navy ships and don't appreciate the 'little' things? The Apocalypse is an amazing laserboat and you don't need tachyons to make the ship work.
Mega beams work just fine.

Listen to Tsukino, she is correct and you don't need capacitor stability in EFT to run missions. You just make sure that your capacitor regenerates enough cap that you can pulse your rep every now and then and fit the rest of the lows with resistance mods - at the most you'll need two or three of them, which leaves room for a capacitor power relay or a nano.

Even mega beams are tight to fit so you end up with enough powergrid to fit one armor rep, so increase your primary and secondary resistance.

Snipe away from 100km and mjd out of harms way, rinse repeat. With mega beams you want to load standard crystals and use them for the most time since they give you the 100km engagement envilope. And they happen to be the most forgiving laser crystals out there.

Start with that and when you have a better feeling for laser ships you can upgrade to the navy ones later.


Without cap stability you actually have to pay attention to what you're doing while killing rats in missions and won't be able to watch Japanese animation at all. So no, cap stability is a must!!
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#47 - 2015-09-13 04:56:55 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
If you're looting your missions you're doing it wrong.


Smash the Supplier, Blockade, Pirate Scarlet, Vengeance, Mordus Headhunters and Assault drops decent loot sometimes and are worth salvaging/looting.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2015-09-13 11:41:10 UTC
pretty sure if you just ignore the loot and continue blitzing it would still end up more isk/hour

Art of Explosions
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#49 - 2015-09-13 12:26:33 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
If you're looting your missions you're doing it wrong.


Smash the Supplier, Blockade, Pirate Scarlet, Vengeance, Mordus Headhunters and Assault drops decent loot sometimes and are worth salvaging/looting.

Blitzing is a near enough fixed isk/h per mission. It is pretty rare to get good loot drops, especially now but I get the attraction, used to do exploration for isk too, same concept.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#50 - 2015-09-13 12:34:44 UTC
In my experience, from a purely financial point of view, the only ones really worth looting are the anti-faction missions (especially EA, Smash the Supplier, In the Midst of Deadspace, etc). I don't really bother with the rest; blitzing makes far more.

However, if I'm in a manufacturing sort of mood and need minerals, I would loot missions like Gone Beserk or Damsel - much easier to loot and refine than breaking out the barge (and cheaper than buying off the market - although I'm aware of the opportunity cost :) )

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#51 - 2015-09-14 01:55:47 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Nightmare is a shield ship. Once you get T2 pulses (and the all mighty scorch) you can fit it a lot (nearly identically really) to a pulse shield fit cap booster PvE Minmatar ship. Maybe a cap mod or two extra just to cover the guns so you don't use cap charges just so you can shoot. Coming from the exact same background as the OP that would be my advice.



The NM can be either shield or armor tanked. A pity people don't see the potential of armor tanking the NMs. And my fits are cap stable armor tanked and does 880 tachyon dps with multi navy out to 90km.
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#52 - 2015-09-14 01:58:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
pretty sure if you just ignore the loot and continue blitzing it would still end up more isk/hour


I'm gonna have to test that out.

Still hard to ignore that loot since last week when I sold all the loot/salvage I collected from missions, I got 860 mill isk.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#53 - 2015-09-14 02:41:39 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
Nightmare is a shield ship. Once you get T2 pulses (and the all mighty scorch) you can fit it a lot (nearly identically really) to a pulse shield fit cap booster PvE Minmatar ship. Maybe a cap mod or two extra just to cover the guns so you don't use cap charges just so you can shoot. Coming from the exact same background as the OP that would be my advice.

The NM can be either shield or armor tanked. A pity people don't see the potential of armor tanking the NMs. And my fits are cap stable armor tanked and does 880 tachyon dps with multi navy out to 90km.

why would I do that when I can fly a paladin instead and do 1100+ dps at 73+51

Daniela Doran wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
pretty sure if you just ignore the loot and continue blitzing it would still end up more isk/hour


I'm gonna have to test that out.

Still hard to ignore that loot since last week when I sold all the loot/salvage I collected from missions, I got 860 mill isk.

and how long did it take to collect, and then sell, all that loot?

I loot burner wrecks, and the implant can in Dread Pirate. Beyond that I don't loot much. Pirate ship BPCs and faction drops make for a nice bump in income. I should probably count that stuff, but it is inconstant and non reproducible. Also some of it is worth almost nothing, and some drops are over 100mil.

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2015-09-15 02:52:33 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Think very hard to yourself and figure out in what god-forsaken situation would you need to perma run every active module on your ship indefinitely.

Hint: this doesn't exist.
I engineer this situation constantly actually. I have had and still have issues forgetting things when micromanaging, leaving tank on unnecessarily being the greatest of them. As such I typically set my PvE ships up to compensate.

Though I suppose when your isk output isn't that high isk efficiency doesn't seem all that important. It's certainly personal preference leading in the opposite direction of effectiveness though I admit.
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#55 - 2015-09-15 02:55:20 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
[quote=Anize Oramara]Nightmare is a shield ship. Once you get T2 pulses (and the all mighty scorch) you can fit it a lot (nearly identically really) to a pulse shield fit cap booster PvE Minmatar ship. Maybe a cap mod or two extra just to cover the guns so you don't use cap charges just so you can shoot. Coming from the exact same background as the OP that would be my advice.

The NM can be either shield or armor tanked. A pity people don't see the potential of armor tanking the NMs. And my fits are cap stable armor tanked and does 880 tachyon dps with multi navy out to 90km.

why would I do that when I can fly a paladin instead and do 1100+ dps at 73+51


This was early this year when my toons was still training for the Paladins, which they can all fly now :). Still for some missions, the NMs are still better.

Now all I gotta do is find a nice C5 WH corp to run with and finally be done with these lev 4's.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#56 - 2015-09-15 06:19:43 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
pretty sure if you just ignore the loot and continue blitzing it would still end up more isk/hour


You can also mission in a popular trade hub and get ProSynergy to loot/salvage for you. It's essentially free money for no work at all. All you have to do is bookmark the wrecks and abandon them after every pocket. They pay you out at the end of the week IIRC.
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#57 - 2015-09-15 07:32:23 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
pretty sure if you just ignore the loot and continue blitzing it would still end up more isk/hour


You can also mission in a popular trade hub and get ProSynergy to loot/salvage for you. It's essentially free money for no work at all. All you have to do is bookmark the wrecks and abandon them after every pocket. They pay you out at the end of the week IIRC.



How much percentage do they pay you from the actual loot value?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2015-09-15 11:06:55 UTC
hey if it's free it's technically infinite time vs profit ratio :p

Art of Explosions
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2015-09-15 11:13:31 UTC
With the awesome range and application of large lasers theres nothing stopping you putting down a mobile tractor n scooping the loot for little to no loss of time... short of missions with a lot of traveling of course... but with MJD's this is even less of an issue... and like has been said anything you do pick up is free isk... so dont even feel bad about leaving stuff behind to slow your blitz, grab what you can and move on...

No Worries
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#60 - 2015-09-16 05:01:18 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
pretty sure if you just ignore the loot and continue blitzing it would still end up more isk/hour


You can also mission in a popular trade hub and get ProSynergy to loot/salvage for you. It's essentially free money for no work at all. All you have to do is bookmark the wrecks and abandon them after every pocket. They pay you out at the end of the week IIRC.



How much percentage do they pay you from the actual loot value?


I think it's 40% to the mission runner and 60% to the salvager. While it sounds like you're getting the short end of the deal, remember that unless you have a dedicated Noctis alt that can't fly a combat ship AND are capable of mission running and salvaging optimally at the same time, this is much better.

TBH it's been a long time since I ran a L4 in highsec so I'm not sure if it's the same as I remember. Contact ProSynergy for the details, I'm sure they have a channel.