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Lazer ships for PvE
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Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-09-08 21:51:08 UTC
So what laser battleships are actually decent for PvE?

I'm not the best eft warrior out there, but trying to design a laser PvE ship has been soul crushing. What ships are normally PvE platforms for lasers? The only one I managed to fit up was a paladin, but I was looking for something that doesn't require the marauders skill to fly.

I'm use to not being cap stable, but the ships I've been trying to fit have been far beyond cap stable and well into "if you fire your guns you're going to cap out in 2 minutes" territory without tank.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#2 - 2015-09-08 22:11:02 UTC
nightmare and paladin are the two best. the apoc and abaddon can both work, but are kinda meh. you more or less need tachyons, or t2 megapulse because of scorch, to be efficient. Also the nightmare and paladin both only having 4 guns means you save on cap.

nightmare works alright with a semi stable setup with an undersized shield booster, or a bit better with a cap injected burst tank

paladin I just run an undersized rep and its almost cap stable just like that.

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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-09-08 22:37:31 UTC
You should prepare your consciousness and warm up your feelings for mighty Armageddon Navy Issue.

This is the only ship you should focus your mind on. Be like a jedi or take the dark side and here is your lazer sword ready to take heretics souls off.

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Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-09-08 22:58:56 UTC
Honestly the apoc and abaddon were two of the ones I was struggling with. Especially the abaddon.

After fitting 8 T2 lasers and 2 heat sinks I was running on empty. In a buffer fit DPS boat I could see how you could make it work, but in a PvE environment I couldn't make it work.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-09-08 23:14:41 UTC
Ersahi Kir wrote:
Honestly the apoc and abaddon were two of the ones I was struggling with. Especially the abaddon.

After fitting 8 T2 lasers and 2 heat sinks I was running on empty. In a buffer fit DPS boat I could see how you could make it work, but in a PvE environment I couldn't make it work.


Apoc is the best for a newbro.

And looks like you didn't read about Navyddon.Sad

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Forum Toon
Doomheim
#6 - 2015-09-08 23:47:29 UTC
From my experience in the past you want geddon navy issue.
beside the obvious bonuses to your lasers and nice fitting stats you can field a selectable damage in form of 5 sentry drones.

fit for gank and you can nuke most l4s easily.
Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2015-09-08 23:49:02 UTC
I missed it.

I remember trying to eft out a navy geddon, and I don't remember it being beefy enough to fit tach's. I'll have to play with it some more and see if I can come up with something that isn't terrible.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-09-08 23:51:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiddle Jr
Ersahi Kir wrote:
I missed it.

I remember trying to eft out a navy geddon, and I don't remember it being beefy enough to fit tach's. I'll have to play with it some more and see if I can come up with something that isn't terrible.


You should consider your skills level factor, not enough PG. And Mega Pulses works just fine.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#9 - 2015-09-09 00:41:07 UTC
Ersahi Kir wrote:
I missed it.

I remember trying to eft out a navy geddon, and I don't remember it being beefy enough to fit tach's. I'll have to play with it some more and see if I can come up with something that isn't terrible.

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Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-09-09 00:42:36 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
advanced weapon upgrades V Blink


My character has good fitting skills.

I do not have good eft fitting skills.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#11 - 2015-09-09 01:13:03 UTC
Navy geddon isn't a bad choice, but I feel like with tachs it is a bit tight.

that said it can do a lot of damage Twisted

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#12 - 2015-09-09 01:21:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
What, no love for the Nestor? Lol

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2015-09-09 01:34:51 UTC
Nestor really isn't a laser ship, it's a drone ship. I think when I fit it out 80% of the damage was drone based.

As far as my navy geddon fit that I whipped up in eft, this is what I came up with:

7x mega pulse laser II

1x100 mn afterburner II
1xTracking computer II
2xCap Recharger II

2xCapacitor Power Relay II
1xLarge Armor Repairer II
3xArmor Hardener II's (fit based on faction)
2x Heat Sink II

1xLarge Capacitor Control Circuit I
2xLarge Energy Locus Coordinator II

It seems like way too many cap mods, but when I take one off things quickly go south. I'm just not sure how cap unstable I can get before things fall apart.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2015-09-09 02:13:42 UTC
[Armageddon Navy Issue, 600m] since you do care of cap stability i did use couple of cap rechargers along with T2 CCC's; two empties for NPC specific hardeners; one extra high utility slot as well.

Heat Sink II x3
[Empty Low slot]
[Empty Low slot]
Large Ancillary Armor Repairer
Reactive Armor Hardener
Damage Control II

Optical Tracking Computer I, Tracking Speed Script
Cap Recharger II x2
Large Micro Jump Drive

Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L x7
[Empty High slot]

Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II

'Integrated' Ogre x5
'Integrated' Infiltrator x5

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#15 - 2015-09-09 03:21:53 UTC
Jeez, how the times have changed. T2 CCCs for a newbie(ish) fit? Crickey.

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Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#16 - 2015-09-09 05:52:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Anize Oramara
Bumblefck wrote:
Jeez, how the times have changed. T2 CCCs for a newbie(ish) fit? Crickey.

Yea theres a lot of that fit that doesn't make sense for missions.

But yea if you have good drone skills and T2 pulse then the geddon navy has pretty good raw damage and decent cap but its tight on fitting. Another ship to look at would be the navy apoc. It's faster and has much better application (Range and tracking bonuses) at the cost of cap and damage. It also doesn't require T2 sentries (or heavies I guess) to do well.

Regardless if you're going to fly lazors, start getting familiar with the cap booster :P

If you have good shield and Caldari BB skills then the nightmare is actually a good mission boat to look at as it's very fast, has an AB bonus, can use tachs and I believe is very cheap atm? Just remember with a shield fit you pulse the shield rep (nice n cheap Pith c-type X-large). Hell if you really want you CAN get a cap stable Nightmare with a ridiculous 528 omni tank, because cap modules are weird. I mean I wouldn't run this myself but it's kinda lulsy. Probably downgrade to a pith large and add a few tracking comps/enhancers instead of the cap modules. Invuls obviously switch out for rat specific hardners

[Nightmare, Cap stable]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

100MN Afterburner II
Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hammerhead II x5

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#17 - 2015-09-09 06:46:46 UTC
Ersahi Kir wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
advanced weapon upgrades V Blink


My character has good fitting skills.

I do not have good eft fitting skills.

Does it have advanced weapon upgrades V though?

I seem to remember getting a full rack of tach's on there with awuV, still damn tight though.

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Mr Mac
Dark Goliath
#18 - 2015-09-09 07:16:19 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Jeez, how the times have changed. T2 CCCs for a newbie(ish) fit? Crickey.

I wouldn't fit t1 in navies
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#19 - 2015-09-09 10:43:31 UTC
Sorry OP for detracting from your thread, but I'll make it quick:


I have returned now, but I last played full-time in 2011 or thereabouts, and at that point large CCC IIs were running for about 2-300 million. Now, they're like a fifth of that old price and cropping up everywhere. I see a lot of frigate fittings with T2 rigs - I guess some things take some getting used to!

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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#20 - 2015-09-09 11:42:45 UTC
I'll never understand this cap stability thing people want to do. It takes way too many mods and gimps your setup way too much.

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