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A question regarding a recent observation...

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Ultim8Evil
Exit-Strategy
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#1 - 2015-09-07 20:13:40 UTC
Why have CCP Devs taken to using Reddit more than the official Eve-O forums?

Compared to 2-3 years ago, these forums are dead, yet when I read articles on 3rd party websites or listen to podcasts, I'm inundated with "CCP [insert name] said on Reddit" or "blah blah was confirmed by CCP [insert name] on a Reddit post".

Have CCP abandoned their own forums in favour of Reddit?

BTW, serious question, not a rant.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#2 - 2015-09-07 20:16:49 UTC
Perhaps, it would make sense to ask this question... on Reddit

Feed the trend

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Ultim8Evil
Exit-Strategy
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#3 - 2015-09-07 20:20:55 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Perhaps, it would make sense to ask this question... on Reddit

Feed the trend


I've actually just signed up for an account.

If you can't beat them, join them.

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Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2015-09-07 21:03:01 UTC
ive seen them more on twitter than reddit tbh
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#5 - 2015-09-07 21:08:05 UTC
To be fair, it's entirely up to then where they socialize.

I only take issue when they announce something elsewhere before they do so on their own damn forum or one of their dev blogs.
That I take issue with.
Kanzero
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#6 - 2015-09-07 22:20:13 UTC
I agree with OP. Reddit is a cesspit populated by the obnoxious vocal minority of EVE. Listening to them will kill the game eventually. The same minority that convinced CCP Walking in Stations was somehow not wanted by the community and yet there are threads with thousands of supporters for it. Just a single example.

IMO devs should be free to post wherever they choose, but respond to players and/or take player feedback only on the official forums.
Ultim8Evil
Exit-Strategy
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#7 - 2015-09-07 22:36:39 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
To be fair, it's entirely up to then where they socialize.


As a counter to your statement, I would argue that using the long established "CCP [insert name]" as their username or actively identifying themselves as a CCP employee whilst taking part in a discussion about a CCP game means that they're never truly "off the clock".

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Estevan Valladares
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-09-07 23:06:33 UTC
Ultim8Evil wrote:
Why have CCP Devs taken to using Reddit more than the official Eve-O forums?

Compared to 2-3 years ago, these forums are dead, yet when I read articles on 3rd party websites or listen to podcasts, I'm inundated with "CCP [insert name] said on Reddit" or "blah blah was confirmed by CCP [insert name] on a Reddit post".

Have CCP abandoned their own forums in favour of Reddit?

BTW, serious question, not a rant.


When you read how the forums are, you understand completely.

LOL

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#9 - 2015-09-07 23:22:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Ultim8Evil wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
To be fair, it's entirely up to then where they socialize.


As a counter to your statement, I would argue that using the long established "CCP [insert name]" as their username or actively identifying themselves as a CCP employee whilst taking part in a discussion about a CCP game means that they're never truly "off the clock".

meh, the entire industry does that though, as i said, its only a problem for me when they say something pertinent to an ongoing issue and or release "over there" before making a blog post or thread about it here (in their official channels) first.

if they don't like talking to us that's our fault really but i think anything that directly effect us in a tactile way should be sourced here rather than anywhere els
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#10 - 2015-09-07 23:23:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Kanzero wrote:
I agree with OP. Reddit is a cesspit populated by the obnoxious vocal minority of EVE. Listening to them will kill the game eventually. The same minority that convinced CCP Walking in Stations was somehow not wanted by the community and yet there are threads with thousands of supporters for it. Just a single example.

IMO devs should be free to post wherever they choose, but respond to players and/or take player feedback only on the official forums.
Most people were fine with what CCP dangled in front of us as walking in stations, what CCP delivered and the cavalier manner in which it was done is what put people off; especially in light of the broken state of the game at the time.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#11 - 2015-09-07 23:29:20 UTC
Kanzero wrote:
I agree with OP. Reddit is a cesspit populated by the obnoxious vocal minority of EVE. Listening to them will kill the game eventually.

i have heard redditors say the same of this forum and to be fair we are a fairly obnoxious vocal minority, same as they are.

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#12 - 2015-09-07 23:30:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
I think they do it for promotional reason so to get EVE mentioned by external social media sites. At least they have not been forcing us to link personal facebook pages lately like they did when they had the ship design competition Ugh

I'm in it for the money

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Estevan Valladares
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-09-07 23:33:56 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Kanzero wrote:
I agree with OP. Reddit is a cesspit populated by the obnoxious vocal minority of EVE. Listening to them will kill the game eventually.

i have heard redditors say the same of this forum and to be fair we are a fairly obnoxious vocal minority, same as they are.



The vocal minority here is just a different minority from there.

That non vocal majority of EVE players is not in either.

That is like, a no brainer.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#14 - 2015-09-07 23:36:20 UTC
Estevan Valladares wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Kanzero wrote:
I agree with OP. Reddit is a cesspit populated by the obnoxious vocal minority of EVE. Listening to them will kill the game eventually.

i have heard redditors say the same of this forum and to be fair we are a fairly obnoxious vocal minority, same as they are.



The vocal minority here is just a different minority from there.

That non vocal majority of EVE players is not in either.

That is like, a no brainer.

... what?
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#15 - 2015-09-07 23:38:41 UTC
now my brain hurts Straight

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#16 - 2015-09-07 23:40:12 UTC
Webvan wrote:
now my brain hurts Straight

yeah i had to read that twice, still none the wiser.
Estevan Valladares
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-09-07 23:44:00 UTC
Really ?

The people in forums, here or there, are just minorities, and vocal.

That NON VOCAL majority of the playerbase just dont voice their ideas, so they are in no forum.

C'mon, that is just logic.

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Marsha Mallow
#18 - 2015-09-07 23:53:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsha Mallow
Estevan Valladares wrote:
The vocal minority here is just a different minority from there.

That non vocal majority of EVE players is not in either.

That is like, a no brainer.

From what I've seen, the vocal minority on reddit and other player sites (kugu/shitheap) who derailed every discussion are 'gamers'. Often very young ones (or just juvenile/immature) gobbing off with memes to show off to their peers. But they're like locusts moving from alliance to alliance (or game to game) and they're not particularly loyal to anyone. They love attacking CCP (for street cred, yo) and they're more or less brainless ninnies nobody should pay any attention to. But they are damn noisy.

The rest of us are EvE players. There is a difference. A lot of us like each other, regardless of affiliation. Tbh I think we're the core playerbase, and the rest are trash. If they can't be converted (and we should try) they should be kicked. To Star Citizen or w/e.

Also, whenever I post I take into account the comments/attitude of people I've spoken to ingame rather than just gobbing off for a few cheap karma points. So that non vocal majority is represented. Not just me doing it either.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Estevan Valladares
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-09-08 00:18:52 UTC
The rest of us are EvE players.

If I take the approach of THIS IS JUST A GAME, the vocal majority here deffend, then I must say, anyone who plays eve is an EVE Player.

If I take the approach of THIS IS JUST A GAME, then no matter how or why I play eve, anything here is, just a game, therefore it has no impact on anything else besides the game itself.

So, if I dont take the approach of "THIS IS JUST A GAME", it doesnt matter who does, they dont speak for me.

Since I play EVE and I dont take the approach of "THIS IS JUST A GAME", and so does other people, their views are also part of the spectrum of views.

When we take a look closely to what is said around, I am pretty sure that the prevailing voice here and there are just focused on one tiny part of the spectrum of views from people who plays EVE.

Since the game priviledges all of them, priviledging one of them automatically turns against the other.

As I said before, I feel that CCP does the right thing when they do the right ammount of things that appeal to all the views, and regardless of that, there still people who thinks EVE should priviledge either minority to "save the game".

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Marsha Mallow
#20 - 2015-09-08 00:28:13 UTC
Estevan Valladares wrote:
The rest of us are EvE players.

If I take the approach of THIS IS JUST A GAME, the vocal majority here deffend, then I must say, anyone who plays eve is an EVE Player.

If I take the approach of THIS IS JUST A GAME, then no matter how or why I play eve, anything here is, just a game, therefore it has no impact on anything else besides the game itself.

So, if I dont take the approach of "THIS IS JUST A GAME", it doesnt matter who does, they dont speak for me.

Since I play EVE and I dont take the approach of "THIS IS JUST A GAME", and so does other people, their views are also part of the spectrum of views.

When we take a look closely to what is said around, I am pretty sure that the prevailing voice here and there are just focused on one tiny part of the spectrum of views from people who plays EVE.

Since the game priviledges all of them, priviledging one of them automatically turns against the other.

As I said before, I feel that CCP does the right thing when they do the right ammount of things that appeal to all the views, and regardless of that, there still people who thinks EVE should priviledge either minority to "save the game".

With all due respect, if you're going to screech in caps using that type of bullshit incoherent rheoric, don't expect me to reciprocate with a 40 page back and forth. I'm not a gamer, I'm not 14 and I can't be arsed with you lot, you waste my time. Or the other strange tier of argumentative mushrooms that keep popping up on every forum and want to engage in this **** endlessly. Your opnion is your own, and if you're not prepared to stop and consider mine why the hell should I bother? Thanks for sharing yours, toodles, carry on.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

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