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Unlearn skills into skillpoints - Feature suggestion.

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Nou Mene
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#21 - 2015-09-07 14:37:02 UTC
For the newbros, this feature would be useless... they have no SP to move around.
This would pretty much be used/exploited by older players.

Older toons would be able to fly perfect pretty much everything if they drop a couple millions on skillbooks, to me it sounds pretty abusive. The only way this "could" work is if you had to pay and SP tax, say 25% so it could make sense for people that really really made a terribly mistake at the beginning but does not intend to change ships and sp daily.
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
OnlyFleets.
#22 - 2015-09-07 17:40:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Its aimed at people who have trained professions that they no longer use because they found pvp. Ie trained to be an awesome miner being afk making isk and now wants to pvp so feel that you should just be able to remove everything and add it combat skills because you know "instant win"

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#23 - 2015-09-07 19:15:24 UTC
Laki Onori wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
First there is no such thing as a useless skill and simply because you don't need it now doesn't mean you might not have need for it in the future.
Second this kind of feature heavily promotes FOTM which creates difficulties keeping things balanced properly for CCP.


But it will help with the newbro frustration with the ever changing doctrins, so another argument is that why should the FOTM only be available to those being multiple years into the game. Most new players want to fit in and play with the big boys but with the ever changing landscape of EvE its hard for them to keep so it becomes skill queue online. So FC wants to take out a Geddon fleet, only 20 days more and you can join is what many newbros have to deal with. Next day its AFs or T3D, ahh newbro its only 20 days and you can join... it is that frustration I am trying to address.
Personally I don't care, by the end of November I am done with subcaps, all ships at 5 and support skills and 5, all specialications at 5 etc but as a mentor and guide for our newbros I can remember how EvE was skillqueue online for me for some years.


What this means....
Null groups that best accommodate newbies in as many ways as possible will grow and hold onto newbies. This is exactly what we see. I would love to say that sov isn't always the answer, rather that low and NPC null allow a much more flexible and open experience than what you will find in sov, and that this is what lots of people are looking for. It should offer a great place to grow up as a character. No one to tell you when to fleet, who to shoot or not to shoot, etc. The problem being that Sov has the absolute monopoly on player recruitment, whether they are looking for something that structured or not, by virtue of the income accessibility and availability. If non-FW low and NPC null where actually viable places to live, people wouldn't really have to join sov, and the whole problem of changing doctrines wouldn't really be that big a a deal.

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?
FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#24 - 2015-09-07 21:25:35 UTC
*report button ACTIVATE*
Xackattack Avianson
Hold The Pod
Not Purple Shoot It.
#25 - 2015-09-07 21:37:55 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Laki Onori wrote:
...With the 250mil SP char that you buy from bazaar, the only thing this would hurt would be the people that sell specialized characters (not a bad thing in my opinion)...


As far as I know there are only two characters in New Eden that meet that criteria and I doubt they are willing to sell theirs.

The skillpoint system that makes EVE so unique is also the thing that lets you stay for long times. You want more skillpoint, be there and train them like everyone else does.
19 days from now my character here will become nine years old and I know of no other world that has kept me busy for as long as EVE has.


Eveboard alone lists 12 pilots with over 250m SP...
Xackattack Avianson
Hold The Pod
Not Purple Shoot It.
#26 - 2015-09-07 21:41:17 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
First there is no such thing as a useless skill and simply because you don't need it now doesn't mean you might not have need for it in the future.
Second this kind of feature heavily promotes FOTM which creates difficulties keeping things balanced properly for CCP.



Jury rigging V is a useless skill.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2015-09-07 22:06:01 UTC
Xackattack Avianson wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
First there is no such thing as a useless skill and simply because you don't need it now doesn't mean you might not have need for it in the future.
Second this kind of feature heavily promotes FOTM which creates difficulties keeping things balanced properly for CCP.



Jury rigging V is a useless skill.

Unless you want T3 cruisers.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Laki Onori
D-sync
D-sync.
#28 - 2015-09-08 05:54:27 UTC
Vic Jefferson wrote:
Laki Onori wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
First there is no such thing as a useless skill and simply because you don't need it now doesn't mean you might not have need for it in the future.
Second this kind of feature heavily promotes FOTM which creates difficulties keeping things balanced properly for CCP.


But it will help with the newbro frustration with the ever changing doctrins, so another argument is that why should the FOTM only be available to those being multiple years into the game. Most new players want to fit in and play with the big boys but with the ever changing landscape of EvE its hard for them to keep so it becomes skill queue online. So FC wants to take out a Geddon fleet, only 20 days more and you can join is what many newbros have to deal with. Next day its AFs or T3D, ahh newbro its only 20 days and you can join... it is that frustration I am trying to address.
Personally I don't care, by the end of November I am done with subcaps, all ships at 5 and support skills and 5, all specialications at 5 etc but as a mentor and guide for our newbros I can remember how EvE was skillqueue online for me for some years.


What this means....
Null groups that best accommodate newbies in as many ways as possible will grow and hold onto newbies. This is exactly what we see. I would love to say that sov isn't always the answer, rather that low and NPC null allow a much more flexible and open experience than what you will find in sov, and that this is what lots of people are looking for. It should offer a great place to grow up as a character. No one to tell you when to fleet, who to shoot or not to shoot, etc. The problem being that Sov has the absolute monopoly on player recruitment, whether they are looking for something that structured or not, by virtue of the income accessibility and availability. If non-FW low and NPC null where actually viable places to live, people wouldn't really have to join sov, and the whole problem of changing doctrines wouldn't really be that big a a deal.


I totally agree, but fixing that issue might be harder than enable this feature.
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